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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by fl0id »

dartharva wrote: post #124
typewithrhythm wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As more normies got on the web more of it becomes about how to herd them. In the early days there was less gain from authoritarian actions, because you are more likely to be resisted by the users of any service. The current users don't know how to bypass restrictions, and are generally more numerous. Making authoritarian actions more valuable. Unfortunately this leads to previously useful sites declining.

It's not just the newer generations. I have multiple friends who are literally afraid of using ad blockers and sideloading apps on their Macs in fear of some imaginary boogeyman out to get them. And VPNs are exclusively the domain of criminals, apparently. There are a dominating amount of people who have turned into the caricature of the perfect CONSUMER. It is so frustrating.

bwahaha what. sad.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by Symbiote »

mtnGoat wrote: post #127

The fact they pulled it means I will no longer be donating. I can’t support orgs that won’t go the distance to protect a free and open internet when that’s what they argue for.

I think of you read this thread you might reconsider.

They've taken the article down to hopefully win in the long run.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41932225

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by gpvos »

Iulioh wrote: post #179
dartharva wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just the newer generations. I have multiple friends who are literally afraid of using ad blockers and sideloading apps on their Macs in fear of some imaginary boogeyman out to get them. And VPNs are exclusively the domain of criminals, apparently. There are a dominating amount of people who have turned into the caricature of the perfect CONSUMER. It is so frustrating.

I, for example , i'm scared of using YouTube alternative clients like re(vanced) et simila, i'm personality scared to have my youtube/gmail account banned.

Better to have no Google account at all. (Actually I have multiple, using each only for very limited, non-essential purposes.)

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by hshshshshsh »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #224

There are a lot of lessons to learn here 1. The Streisand effect. No-one on HN gave a monkeys about this dodgy news agency till today. Now half of us have read the archive about how they promote propaganda & fake news. Your reputation takes a hit 2. There is no absolute definition of “freedom”. Wikipedia is a fantastic resource for humanity in general and I think should be defended. But as more and more of humanity c…

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Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by rex_lupi »

colechristensen wrote: post #101
throwaway313373 wrote: post #100

Since when does Delhi high court have worldwide jurisdiction?

Since Wikipedia folded to their demands. The correct action would have been to black out India, but they chose otherwise

Intentional or not I don't know, but that's a surefire way to start a powerful Streisand effect

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by hshshshshsh »

fwipsy wrote: post #15

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_News_International covers the lawsuit as well. "In July 2024, ANI filed a lawsuit against Wikimedia Foundation in the Delhi High Court — claiming to have been defamed in its article on Wikipedia — and sought ₹2 crore (US$240,000) in damages.[16][17][18] On 5 September, the Court threatened to hold Wikimedia guilty of contempt for failing to disclose information about the editors…

Yes. This is why a lot of people leave India. The legal system is crap. And it has effects on everything else.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by nazka »

rustcleaner wrote: post #226
lolinder wrote: post #17

On January 18 2012, Wikipedia went black to draw attention to SOPA [0], a bill they described as one that "could fatally damage the free and open Internet". Since then, we've seen a slow and steady march in the direction we all dreaded. Country after country has decided that they have the right to block content on the "free and open Internet", and business after business (even those who joined the SOPA protests) has…

We must work to build an inter[dark]net which ideally fully divorces the user from the government and laws of the country the user is physically in (unless the user leaks his dox).

I can't imagine the kind of people it will attract. 5% of sane people and 95% doing the most hideous things in mankind.

Law and Govs are not so bad that we should get rid of it. They do add value to society compared to a fully lawless anarchic community/tools/etc. There is a place where freedom does have to stop and trespassing that frontier will have consequences.

We don't need to through all our laws and Gov (especially in Western countries where really it's not so bad). But instead, we need better law, law enforcement, etc... The key part is it's up to us to fight for it.

Re: Wikipedia article blocked worldwide by Delhi high court

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Post by SirHumphrey »

ruthmarx wrote: post #146

We desperately need more work done on a separate internet that by design cannot and never can be censored. I know there are some projects toward that already, but my fear is they won't reach maturity before governments blocking any content they don't want their population accessing is the norm. Some things should be illegal, sure, but if governments start attacking free speech and limiting what materials a population…

This fundamentally doesn't work because internet is not something existing in a vacuum - you need wires, fibers and servers to make it work, and those are located in somebodies jurisdiction.

The willingness to transmit encrypted data exists for now in most countries, but would some kind of fully encrypted ungovernable internet take hold, that may rapidly change.

As with DeFi, some problems cannot be solved by technology, they must be solved in courts, parliaments and in elections - at least where it's possible to do so.

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