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Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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stogot wrote: post #222
catlikesshrimp wrote: post #118

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As I see it, UN at least is documenting everything as it happens to its members. Hopefully it can be kept unbiased for a long time. If you start kicking left and right, there will be no UN to overlook events. Maybe without a UN, we would already be having a WWIII. It is impossible to weight its influence, but I very much doubt it is having any nefarious effect. No need to sledgehammer the world until it gets better

Too much faith/credit in the UN. With the security council, not much has or can happen. Beyond that there’s also incompetence. Look up jadotville or Dag Hammarskjöld (suspected to have been assasinated)

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Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by aguaviva »

erentz wrote: post #248
aguaviva wrote: post #240

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You're projecting more into the commenter's words than is actually to be found in them, it seems. It's quite cleare Hamas needs to be marginalized and taken out of the picture (along with its spiritual companions in the 37th Government) before anything can move forward, but that's a separate issue.

What are they saying then? I am interpreting them in the context of this discussion which is on Hezbollah’s attacks on Israel and Israel’s response. You seem to imply they are pointing to internal matters to Israel, not Hezbollahs aims. In which case it’s a total non sequitur comment. Or are you or they, suggesting Hezbollahs aims (given Hezbollah is what we are discussing) simply to reform internal issues within Isr…

My reading of their post is that it was putting the current Hezbollah context to the side and addressing the bigger picture in terms of what, in their view, Israel should do (if it wants to have a just and lasting peace and other nice things).

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by Teever »

aaomidi wrote: post #220
libertine wrote: post #212

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Would you consider medical facilities civilian targets? Hospitals, Maternities? Because Russia has struck more than 1.500 medical facilities, including a Maternity and a Children's Hospital. By the way, this is also a common tactic, which was recurrently used in Chechnya.

I'm comparing the number of people killed. I'm not here defending Russia. One of these we have 0 control over (Russia). The other one (Israel) we're funding, supporting, aiding, and abetting.

We have control over Russia. We have not fully sanctioned them and in the past the US was more than willing to trade with Russia or even give them money.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by nujabe »

Sam713 wrote: post #249
nujabe wrote: post #162

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That article you linked does not support your claims at all. The UN was pressured by Israel to send a delegation, but they would not cooperate fully and refused a full investigation. From the UN report [1]: >In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified. >The mission team examined several allegations of sexual violence. It must be noted that witnesse…

You are cherry picking text out of the report, and removing it from the overall context. The UN investigators visited multiple locations, some of which did not contain evidence, and some of which did. See sections 58/60/61/66/68. The conclusion of the report itself reads: “Overall, based on the totality of information gathered from multiple and independent sources at the different locations, there are reasonable grou…

Of course you don't want to talk about it, when you have zero evidence to back up any of your claims. You wrote all that but you could not produce a single piece of evidence besides a few sentences to indicate unproven rapes might have occurred based on very selective information given to them by the Israelis during guided propaganda tours. The claims are "mass rapes" have occurred (not that there were no instances of SA), not a single piece of evidence has been produced, every testimony that came out was proven to be fabricated and here you are trying to peddle your unsubstantiated propaganda as if its something already proven beyond reasonable doubt.

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Post by tmnvix »

mlazos wrote: post #14
pimpampum wrote: post #8

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Israel has lied repeatedly countless times, like the tunnels under hospitals that never show up, or when they say the didn't kill the journalists they did end up admitting to. Or the claims of rape and beheaded babies that were all fake. You can not take anything they say as serious.

I love how their rationale for blowing up a hospital is that there were tunnels underneath it. As if that’s justification for blowing up a hospital.

They have also been blowing up buildings in Lebanon because they claim that there is Hezbollah money and gold in them. Human life be damned.

To all appearances, it looks as if the US is allowing Israel to rewrite the rules of war. This is incredibly dangerous. Whether or not the US supports Israel's objectives should not be the deciding factor in supporting these kinds of justifications.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by thebytefairy »

It's fascinating to read multiple comments openly justifying attacks on the UN, saying that if they haven't stopped hezbollah themselves that they are the same as terrorists. Even among this group of generally logical mathematical thinkers, reason is left by the wayside when identity is involved.

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by libertine »

aaomidi wrote: post #220
libertine wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you consider medical facilities civilian targets? Hospitals, Maternities? Because Russia has struck more than 1.500 medical facilities, including a Maternity and a Children's Hospital. By the way, this is also a common tactic, which was recurrently used in Chechnya.

I'm comparing the number of people killed. I'm not here defending Russia. One of these we have 0 control over (Russia). The other one (Israel) we're funding, supporting, aiding, and abetting.

I just don't think you are aware of the scale of the event.

Do you realize that in less than 3 years Russia has caused more than 1.000.000 casualties, Russia has kidnapped more than 25.000 Children, and made 10.000.000 people into refugees some of them filtrated in Russia?

It's like the destruction of +1,500 medical facilities, deliberately, isn't much of a big deal...

Both are horrible events but at completely different scales. We're talking about a country of 40.000.000 people who was at peace, posed no threat to anyone, and never attacked any neighboring country. There are several days of +1.000 casualties - these are human beings, I don't know why you're deliberately dehumanizing Ukrainians and Russians.

Europe hasn't seen anything like this since WW2, even after we witnessed the genocide of Chechens at the hands of Russia, another one.

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Post by tzs »

adrian_b wrote: post #172
tzs wrote: post #78

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I did not say or imply that I have objections to what you wrote. Your comment strongly implied that you think that Israel overreacted to Oct 7. So I am curious what you think their response should have been. > Unfortunately, it is hard to discern legitimate interest vs. someone wanting to engage in a debate for the sake of it. And I am not interested in wasting my time figuring out which is the case. Is curiosity "le…

Israel has not overreacted to Oct 7, they have just applied the same policy that they have used for many decades "at least ten of theirs for each one of ours". This policy is an effective deterrent against enemies, but it should be obvious that with such a policy it will never be possible to end any conflict unless absolutely all enemies and all their relatives or friends are killed. There have been times when the re…

> Israel has not overreacted to Oct 7, they have just applied the same policy that they have used for many decades "at least ten of theirs for each one of ours".

The interesting thing is that Hamas seems to share Israel's view that Israelis are more valuable than Palestinians. Whenever there is a prisoner exchange Hamas tends to demand an order of magnitude or more Palestinians be released for each Israeli released.

For example in 2011 Hamas got over 1000 in exchange for a single Israeli.

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Post by type0 »

everforward wrote: post #73
renegade-otter wrote: post #66

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Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

Russia is there because they wouldn’t even come to the table otherwise, and it’s more valuable to have a hobbled organization than one that doesn’t include significant powers. The others don’t have permanent slots because they joined when they had less power, or they never gained enough power to bargain.

Russia isn't a founding member because they're not the same as Soviet Union. Ukraine on the other hand is one of the founding members.

Just by allowing Russia to keep the permanent seat of USSR legitimizes their revanchist goals to regain the territories they controlled during the cold war

The best move UN could do is to kick Russia out of permanent seat as it was done with Republic of China, US has the mechanisms to do it but sadly they never will

Re: Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

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Post by bobsmooth »

cutler wrote: post #107
okokhacker wrote: post #85

HN posts about this used to be 99% Pro-Zionist. There’s been a marked shift in opinion (or less bots) and I’m very, very glad that people are recognising the extent of war crimes being committed by Israel.

Maybe it's because social media has relayed the truth and Israel can no longer use its grip on western media to conceal its atrocities.

>Jews control the media

Bad, terrible, anti-semitic

>Israel controls the media

Good, woke, socially conscious

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