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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by freeopinion »

an_guy wrote: post #205
OKRainbowKid wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, this post and discussion is about Russia though.

Hence money spend on propoganda is no measure to justify such reasoning. One could say, people supporting Linus' statement are US funded trolls.

Yes, you could say that. Did you you miss the part where one country is invading another country in an actual armed conflict? Then a bunch of other people choose one side or the other. They call each other names and they posture and they try to influence support. They use whatever pressure they can.

Linus and his lawyers have clearly chosen one side. You seem to have chosen the other but want to appear as if you haven't for whatever reason.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by michaelmrose »

an_guy wrote: post #204
michaelmrose wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You speak mostly of murderous autocrats who attack their own people. That covers Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia. Not sure where you are going with Bahrain. As far as Yemen the official government of Yemen is a democracy and its opponents believe in eternal theocratic autocracy blessed by God.

When NATO attacks someone, it's murderous autocrats... when anyone not NATO attacks it's attacks om __Democrazy__

No Those very specific countries were run by murderous autocrats attacking their own people to maintain their unjust and injustifiable rule.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by michaelmrose »

OmarAssadi wrote: post #211
michaelmrose wrote: post #170

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The legal reasons is the sanctions against Russia for their illegal war of aggression. All of Russia and all who live within its borders are responsible for these actions.

There is something beautiful about how U.S. news outlets were always going on about how Russia is a dictatorship, with rigged elections, where you'll be beaten, arrested or killed for protesting or speaking out--Russians supposedly have no agency. And yet simultaneously, now, Russians apparently must be held accountable for everything their government ever does, because they "voted him in" or "should overthrow Putin"…

They have had a century to institute actual democracy. If 70% supported deposing Putin instead of the war it would be difficult for him to retain power or he would have to change tack to retain control and keep his skin intact.

We didn't think of the poor Germans when we burned them alive as part of the effort to stop the Nazis and few argue that the Germans aren't collectively complicit save only for those who actively resisted.

I'm fully willing to hold blameless those who burned weapons and recruitment centers, spoke out publicly against the war within or after fleeing Russia, shot their commander, or surrendered to avoid an unjust fight.

I'm aware those are all extremely risky. I know exactly why someone would want to keep their heads down and I none the less blame them no less than I blame all the good Nazis who didn't believe in the ideology but kept their heads down while Jews burned in ovens and their neighbors rotted in battlefields and economic consequences are the least of what is just and fair.

A million people are dead including many of their own they are complicit.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by an_guy »

freeopinion wrote: post #221
an_guy wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hence money spend on propoganda is no measure to justify such reasoning. One could say, people supporting Linus' statement are US funded trolls.

Yes, you could say that. Did you you miss the part where one country is invading another country in an actual armed conflict? Then a bunch of other people choose one side or the other. They call each other names and they posture and they try to influence support. They use whatever pressure they can. Linus and his lawyers have clearly chosen one side. You seem to have chosen the other but want to appear as if you have…

There are bunch of countries invading others as of now including Russia, US and it's allies. Who do you choose?

If this was about war, he had 2 years to take action. If this was about law he should let everyone know.

This seems more like he is being compelled by government to do something while masking it as his own. Hence the lack of reasoning for his decisions or calling anyone who questions him as Russian actors.

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Post by aguaviva »

nataliste wrote: post #191
aguaviva wrote: post #186

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You could've asked yourself "Do I understand the significance of Carthago delenda est in this context? Could I ask for clarification?" And if you prefer to believe that if people don't buy into your hand-wavy, faux-erudite arguments, then it must be because they're simply too dumb to understand the intended import of Carthago delenda est -- then that may provide you with an additional layer of comfort. I honestly don…

>I understand that historical references can definitely add depth to a conversation, but if they aren’t framed well or contextualized, they come off as pretentious. I don't think you did a good job contextualizing your references, so it comes off to me as pseudo-intellectual and apologetic for the Russians. Comparing an active warzone to historical trivia also seems inappropriate for reasons I don't quite understand.…

Cute, except you're both deflecting and hallucinating of course, as no one ever had an issue with that catchphrase you keep dropping, or its import. The issue here was and still is this bizarre axiom - your famous 17 words:

The West wants to permanently de-fang and colonize Russia for obvious reasons -- geopolitical hegemony and market intrusion.

That you've chosen to adopt, and on the basis of sweet, pure faith it seems.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by pphysch »

michaelmrose wrote: post #225
an_guy wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When NATO attacks someone, it's murderous autocrats... when anyone not NATO attacks it's attacks om __Democrazy__

No Those very specific countries were run by murderous autocrats attacking their own people to maintain their unjust and injustifiable rule.

Don't you think there's a chance that that narrative of "murderous autocrats" was manufactured post hoc to rationalize NATO's aggression?

Otherwise it's a mighty coincidence that the West only "intervenes" in places that are simultaneously relevant to Western geopolitical-economic interests and just happen to have a "murderous autocrat" begging to be toppled.

So convenient that the bloc which dominates the global media landscape is always narratively-justified in its murder campaigns. Nothing fishy there!

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