Svelte 5 Released • Hacker News Board

Re: Svelte 5 Released

#251

Post by gumbul » Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM UTC

hu3 wrote: post #52

gumbul wrote: post #34

Do they still operate with very little backwards compatibility policy? They killed the sapper project and replaced it with sveltekit. Is sveltekit still alive?

Sapper was a looong time ago in terms of web dev chronology. I even forgot. Why makes you think SvelteKit could be dead? What a weird a pessimistic phrasing.

It's not a pessimistic statement. I'm just saying they did. There is no guarantee that they will not do the same in the sveltekit project :) I recommend people make smart decisions and use it.

Re: Svelte 5 Released

#252

Post by v3ss0n » Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 10:36 AM UTC

mhitza wrote: post #58

sansseriff wrote: post #25

Svelte 5 has been very nice to work with over the past few months. Yes, runes require you to think more carefully about lifecycles and updates. And you may end up writing a little more code initially than with svelte 4. But it serves you better in the long run with complex apps. I found a process for gradually turning a simple app into a more complex one that works for me. I iteratively move $state() runes out of .sv…

Do you know of any large OSS software built with Svelte? I'd like to see how it turns out in the long run, because I'm reticent of all frontend frameworks nowadays through what I perceive as gateways to uncontrollable accidental complexity and abstractions.

HuggingFace https://github.com/gradio-app/gradio ChatUI , lots of AI applications UI are build with / ontop of svelte. https://github.com/huggingface/chat-ui

Ollama's OpenWebUI https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui

Cannot edit my previous answer i mentioned wrong page. , updated proper links

Re: Svelte 5 Released

#253

Post by angra_mainyu » Fri, Oct 25, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

codethief wrote: post #247

angra_mainyu wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An unfortunate issue. Vue is far better, as is Svelte.

Vue? Lol. I've been using Vue full-time in multiple large corporate code bases for the past 3½ years and I'd exchange it for React in a heartbeat. Its type checker and build toolchain are so abysmally bad and bug-riddled that I run into new bugs and limitations on the daily. …which is no surprise really if you introduce a new custom file format and make type checking an afterthought. Meanwhile, React is basically pur…

I disagree.

>Its type checker and build toolchain are so abysmally bad and bug-riddled that I run into new bugs and limitations on the daily.

This seems like a setup issue.

Mine catches everything just fine. Both in-editor (I use neovim) and with a make step (just calls vue-tsc) + a precommit hook as a sanity check.

>React is basically pure TS and the only bugs I run into are the occasional limitations of TSC.

React is obscene. It always seemed to me the Java of the FE world, made worse in recent years. By that I mean grotesquely verbose and full of ceremonious value passing through multiple functions just for the tiniest of things. I've had to work with React codebases and these days I outright refuse to do that/turn down jobs with that requirement. I'd rather use angular.

Svelte and Vue are ergonomic and straightforward and they sanely default to SFCs instead of that woeful chimera of languages called JSX/TSX - you can still use it if you so desire though.

Re: Svelte 5 Released

#254

Post by satvikpendem » Wed, Oct 30, 2024, 1:00 AM UTC

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #240

cageface wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't very many good modern, maintained vanilla js libraries. But for just about anything I need in React I can find something polished and well supported that just works.

I'm not sure I understand. What types of libraries? When I think of libraries, I think of ExpressJS, lodash, JQuery, left-pad, etc. There are absolute tonnes of vanilla JS libraries. I've rarely used React, are you talking about React-specific libraries? I find it hard to believe that there are more maintained React libraries than vanilla JS libraries.

Framer Motion, react-three-fiber, react dnd, just a few that come to mind.