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Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

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Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

#12

Is there something new here? I’m under the impression that we knew this kind of thing was possible with enough resources.

The articled confirms that the authorities are conducting a dragnet operation. Everyone who connected to a certain entry relay was tracked and reported.

Does the tor daemon connect automatically? If so, even people who installed tor for fun and forget about may be on the list.

Did the lucky ones have the "Bundestrojaner" (gov surveillance app) installed on their machines?

Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

#13

The dark network of the future will be an onion-routed Hyphanet/Freenet, with monthly "bandwidth quotas" that make links communicate uniformly at X GB/hr regardless of traffic (padding when there is none) until the monthly quota is hit right at the end of the month. If internodal links don't vary in externally measurable ways when utilized, netflow is diminished.

I2P with more steps and crypto-enforced minimum quotes to deter timing/correlative attacks.

Minimally-enforced "random" timeouts to prevent DDoS->outage correlation.

Also mirrors. Lots of mirrors.

Have mirrors tied to reputation tied to invites.

Then the border to entry is time + money + reputation(which is time + money)

Throw in some 0-KPz, and you are 100% chillin in Belize or 100% in Colorado-ADX

(in minecraft, hypothetically, to sell beets, i ♥ us)

Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

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post #8

I have suspected Tor has been busted for quite a long time. LE is only using this power selectively for now - the last thing that they want is to scare users away lest they go and build something more secure. The Nym mixnet[0] seems promising but it's still new and unproven. I had an idea a while back to make traffic analysis more difficult by building circuits distributed across adversarial countries. Would like to…

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Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

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The dark network of the future will be an onion-routed Hyphanet/Freenet, with monthly "bandwidth quotas" that make links communicate uniformly at X GB/hr regardless of traffic (padding when there is none) until the monthly quota is hit right at the end of the month. If internodal links don't vary in externally measurable ways when utilized, netflow is diminished.

Doesn't i2p also use this model?

Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

#18
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s 2024 and I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Feel free to debate the statement on its merits, at face value.

The problem is, just the mere fact of communication is sufficient to determine relationships, which can make any sort of organized action simple to identify, root out and quash:

https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad...

>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If the 2nd Amendment applies to a modern firearm (and it should), then the 4th amendment has to apply to e-mails and text messages.

Re: Law Enforcement Undermines Tor

#20
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s 2024 and I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

Feel free to debate the statement on its merits, at face value.

Your proposal is too modest. Why should only law enforcement see our messages? All messages should be treated like the banns of marriage and read aloud by the local priest or posted on the church walls, so that all interested parties can learn their contents and raise any relevant legal objection.
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