Many people must realise that we are close to the ww3 and that russians really pay a lot to attack what ever is possible to attack. Linus just protect us all.
Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#202Linus typically excels at focusing on 'issues' rather than 'individuals'. However, this time he has chosen to do the opposite.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please list the countries that have been "destroyed" by NATO specifically.
Libya,Yugoslavia, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria
You speak mostly of murderous autocrats who attack their own people. That covers Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia.
Not sure where you are going with Bahrain.
As far as Yemen the official government of Yemen is a democracy and its opponents believe in eternal theocratic autocracy blessed by God.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
Libya,Yugoslavia, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria
You speak mostly of murderous autocrats who attack their own people. That covers Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia. Not sure where you are going with Bahrain. As far as Yemen the official government of Yemen is a democracy and its opponents believe in eternal theocratic autocracy blessed by God.
When NATO attacks someone, it's murderous autocrats... when anyone not NATO attacks it's attacks om __Democrazy__
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
US spends billions on paid propaganda. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/
Cool, this post and discussion is about Russia though.
Hence money spend on propoganda is no measure to justify such reasoning. One could say, people supporting Linus' statement are US funded trolls.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia invaded it’s neighbor. These sanctions are one of the consequences. It sucks for the good-faith programmers in Russia but what would you have the rest of the world do? The Russian state must be sanctioned for its blatant disregard for international norms. Please don’t just respond with whataboutism. The whataboutism in these threads involves different people in different times. This is happening now.
The problem with this discourse is that what you said is hardly relevant. We have a clear understanding of what is considered moral and ethical behavior and what's not. The subject matter may as well be discrimination as no valid legal reason was given for action taken against a group of people otherwise. To say that a group of people is valid to discriminate against because reasons is also discriminatory in itself.…
> The subject matter may as well be discrimination as no valid legal reason was given for action taken against a group of people otherwise.
All decisions are discrimination, and discrimination in general is fine. There are narrow, specific kinds of discrimination that are suspect and need additional justification. OTOH, a perfectly valid reason was offered: legal advice based on international sanctions imposed on Russian entities in response to Russia’s war of aggression in Ukraine. Now, certainly, there was not public information sufficient to assess the correctness of that decision, and I would not prejudge any claim from any party adversely impacted that chose to challenge it.
But I’d also note that where there is not a contractual relationship or some other binding commitment to way against the potential consequences of sanctions violations, legal advice will likely be “better safe than sorry” in that it is better to cut off relations where there is no commitment more broadly than sanctions might require rather than to err on the other side, too. Acting in such advice mag still be a reasonable and prudent decision.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
You missed the point, he didn't mention history in general, but specifically "Finnish history". In this respect it's not about British colonialism but more about about Russian imperialism / Stalinism (see Russo-Finnish war 1939).
Did he just now realized that history? For over 30 years accepting contributions from the "enemy"? Then when the history is employed, how about he as a Finn bans also Swedish contributors?
The correlation of the historical anti-Finnish aggression with present aggression and direct new threats against Finland is fairly recent, and Linus isn't pointing to his awareness of the historical and present national context as a reason for the action but as a recent why it is silly to expect him to be lax about the legal advice that is the reason for the actions.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#208Part of this is not about how politics affects open source world. It's about lack of open discussion and transparency. Certainly it'd be wrong for linus to call the opponents "trolls" from Russia.
I mean, no, it wouldn't, if the opponentns are largely, in fact, trolls and paid actors backed, directly or indirectly, by the Russian state.
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#209Key takeovers:
1. Linux is occupied by USA
2. US praises public hatred against a nationality
Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted
#210Am I right to assume that they're not delisting all Russian Linux maintainers, just the ones with some connections to Russian Government?
If that is so, then this is comparable to booting people with nazi connections from western scientific projects in 1930s, i.e. perfectly fine and in fact the only reasonable thing to do.
Again, this is not being done because these people are russian. Claiming ethnicity-based oppression where none exists is a known russotroll dogwhistle, and I think the commenters on this forum should be sophisticated enough to understand that.