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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by wiseowise »

mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

> I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any.

Start using JetBrains products - you’ll experience many.

And before I get rained with downvotes I’ve been using JetBrains on various machines for over 10 years. From netbook with Cameron and 2GB of RAM to M1 Pro and M3 MacBooks with 32 GB of RAM.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by Timon3 »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #18

WebStorm too https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2024/10/24/webstorm-and-ride...

Hm... I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad sign.

I've been a Jetbrains user & proponent for many years, with most of my usage in WebStorm. But over the last ~2-3 years I've faced more and more bugs, some sitting open for weeks and months. Just for a short selection:

- The autocomplete popup sometimes froze the IDE completely (and killing the process caused minutes of data loss), open for close to a year[0]

- Since two months ago, the Typescript language server fails to start in Vue projects (due to a broken update by the Vue team). A fixed version of WebStorm was released yesterday, in the meantime you were apparently expected to search for the error message, stumble upon the YouTrack page, and apply a workaround[1]

- Performance is abysmal in a larger React MUI project, think 10-15 seconds for feedback on code changes, sometimes errors just stick around for a good minute or more[2]

- In some situations WebStorm makes autocomplete suggestions that aren't allowed - think effectively a type T with keys K | L, where Omit leads to only suggesting K properties, while removing the Omit makes it suggest both K and L properties

- After updating from 2024.1.X to 2024.2.Y, the window had no buttons for minimizing/maximizing anymore. Now, this was partially caused by my environment, but after I found a workaround it was closed as "Third Party Problem". Still feels like a regression to me, since my environment did not change.

These are some of the more memorable ones from this year, but it feels like there's a new one every week. I'm pretty close to dropping my subscription, and this news doesn't fill me with confidence that the necessary investments in Q&A will be made.

[0]: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-6171/Random-freezes...

[1]: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/WEB-68756/Vue-LS-2.x-Co...

[2]: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/WEB-59766/Very-slow-cod...

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by jdthedisciple »

junto wrote: post #280
jdthedisciple wrote: post #279

Have been using VS Studio for 10+ years and never used Rider. What are the most compelling reasons to switch? I have heard lots of praise but little substance so far. For .NET dev it seems hard for any IDE to rival VS Studio's tight integration with the whole MS + .NET ecosystem.

Rider is an excellent IDE for .NET development. A lot less bloat than Visual Studio 2022. I’ve had a lot of my dev teams switch to it. We offer them both options. If you’re not working in legacy .NET Framework apps then I’d heavily suggest giving Rider a try.

This is exactly the kind of surface-level praise I often hear but what exactly is it?

Is it objectively (significantly) more performant?

How does the MAUI app development experience compare?

Code completion?

IIS-integration?

Debugging?

Look and feel?

WPF / XAML designer?

File explorer?

Git integration?

...

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by jdthedisciple »

In a way, it was about time:

How else am I supposed to get convinced into buying it given the (probably more mature) default choice of VS Studio 22?

Reading about the rationale for this move this seems to be precisely their reason too.

Anyway, might try it out after all now given all the fuss ...

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by wiseowise »

ezst wrote: post #253
mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

My very personal opinion is that LSPs haven't contributed very much in the area of turning text editors into cohesive and integrated development environments that I enjoy using. One still gets to spend a lot of time and energy fishing for the right extensions, some with overlapping or incompatible scopes and capabilities. And this to be repeated for every project, framework and language. That's very ad-hoc, unsatisfa…

> What should be the deciding factor is the resource consumption, then: if you end up with a less refined and less capable LSP+Extension enhanced text editor, it better be lightweight, right? Well, here again it's pretty clear that those LSPs and Extensions are everything but that, and not only JetBrains IDEs start fast (which was a big area of focus recently), they also respond better using comparable resources.

What kind of nonsense is that, lmao. JetBrains IDEs absolutely choke on our Java monorepo out of the box and you have to rely on huge hacks to make it work. While VScode works just fine and stays responsive while indexing in background allowing to move around and modify files without any lag.

And GOD FORBID you close it, open it again and be greeted with 30 minutes of “indexing”. Their tooling is so great, that they had to migrate their homebrew Java tooling in CLion to clangd (C++ LSP) based indexer.

Android Studio is another level of awful and if someone would release Kotlin LSP I’d migrate in an instant. But of course JetBrains won’t release it, because it doesn’t drive IDE sales.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by wiseowise »

switch007 wrote: post #233
mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

I've never understood the value proposition of vscode: "Download an editor and install a random collection of dodgy looking plugins from random authors that will get you maybe 80% of the functionality you want Enjoy watching the plugins downloading random .exes from all over the place Any semi-advanced functionality is hidden in a complicated command palette system and a plethora of JSON files Groovy support? Haha! Y…

> Groovy support? Haha! You're funny

Thank God at least someone speeds up eradication of this abomination from mainstream ecosystem.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by popcalc »

mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

It runs on Linux. That’s enough for me..

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

issafram wrote: post #269
mellosouls wrote: post #267

Note that you will still have to pay for the AI support, which is presumably a major factor in this strategy. ie. How many devs will really use it in it's "free" state as titled? Fewer and fewer I suspect. I'm sceptical about the prevalence of non-AI-centred-IDEs going forward - we live in a new era now - and I guess JetBrains have also come to that conclusion and this is a pivot to support the thesis.

I don't care about AI support at all

If anything, not having AI is a bonus in my book.
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