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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by andybak »

wokwokwok wrote: post #56
CharlieDigital wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a Rider license for a while but just let it lapse. I've found myself totally satisfied with just VS Code on macOS (it's come a really long way). I'm glad that this move will possibly make .NET more accessible, but I think VSC is in a really good place with C# at the moment and shouldn't be overlooked.

What fan boy nonsense is this? The VSC support for c# is miles behind visual studio. Rider isn’t as good either, but it’s certainly better than VSC. Are you heavily using typescript with a bit of c# or a really tiny code base? This comment is incomprehensible to me. Do you never refactor code? There are a lot of sophisticated things you can’t do with VSC. It’s a great editor; but not for c#. The benefit of using it i…

If Visual Studio has better support for C# than Rider, why does Resharper exist?

Not trying to start an argument - I've never used Visual Studio with C# (I was a PyCharm user when I started learning Unity so Rider was an obvious choice) but I always assumed that Rider was better - because it was managing to survive as a paid product so it must have had an edge.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by collinstevens »

MattRix wrote: post #169

Rider has a lot going for it, but I really can't stand the structure of JetBrains subscription. Why can't they just have a single monthly or annual price, rather than this absurd structure where the price gets cheaper over time, encouraging lock-in?

All Products Pack (12 IDEs, 3 extensions, 2 profilers)

first year - $289.00 (+$116)

second year - $231.00 (+$58)

third year onwards - $173.00

you're locked in because of an extra $116 the first year and $58 the second year?

https://www.jetbrains.com/store/?section=personal&billing=ye...

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by nightski »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #159
withinboredom wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100k loc is not big. That’s a small-medium sized project.

It's not an all C# project; C# only comprises the backend. All in, the mono-repo is somewhere over 250k SLOC with mixed languages (Vue SFC, TS, Astro, JSX, shell). So when VSC is loaded, it's not only handling C#, but also everything else. Point is that VSC is more than capable of handling production scale, multi-language workspaces even on 2021 hardware with only 16GB of RAM.

It's not that VS Code can't load a large project, that is table stakes. It's that the tools it provides to work with those large code bases are like fisher price versions of the Jetbrains equivalents. If one take their tools seriously, and uses them to the maximum extent possible to increase productivity, reliability, and robustness of code then there is just no comparison between the two.

Don't get me wrong, I still use VS code for all front-end development and other ecosystems (such as Rust). But when it specifically comes to C#/.NET there is no substitute to Rider in my opinion.

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Post by 93po »

textlapse wrote: post #46

There are a few privately owned companies that amaze me: JetBrains, Valve among the top. Somehow they have a much better value/user and make reasonable decisions: counter intuitive to investors/shareholders but insanely intuitive to their users. I am sure the public market has made the general public reap the rewards of large companies (kudos!) but some of the privately owned companies are absolutely kicking ass to s…

valve is nice but they're still taking a huge cut of revenue for doing extremely little work

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by danhau »

klik99 wrote: post #116
terminalbraid wrote: post #3

This is pretty huge all around, especially with Microsoft discontinuing Visual Studio for Mac. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releases/2022... I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot and Unity for game development.

Don't forget Unreal as well - I've used Rider on multiple AAA Unreal titles that include custom engine edits and it is significantly faster than VS at loading massive projects. The integration is great and allows for seeing blueprint classes and references in the C++ project. I say this as a big user of JetBrains - I have had SOME issues with their intellisense dropping some references in Rider when there are a lot o…

I had no idea Rider supported C++. My impression was that it is for .NET only. How does it compare to CLion?

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Post by chusk3 »

slekker wrote: post #2

I'm learning F# and have been using VSCode. How different/better JetBrains Rider support for F# is?

Hi, I'm the maintainer for the VSCode F# support. Rider support for F# is great, that team is very engaged, and I'd strongly consider it if

* you have mixed C#/F# projects in a solution (C# and F# support in VSCode can't communicate today)

* you use Rider for other technology

* you want paid support for your editor tools

* you prefer IDE-style experiences rather than editor/ extension-style experiences

* you want to take advantage of Rider features like their accelerated build caching

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by LeFantome »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #47
terminalbraid wrote: post #3

This is pretty huge all around, especially with Microsoft discontinuing Visual Studio for Mac. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releases/2022... I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot and Unity for game development.

Wasn’t VS for Mac a MonoDevelop build with amputated Linux support rather than a version of Visual Studio proper? Or am I out of date on this?

Yes, that is what it was.

Microsoft had continued to evolve it. And a few components from Visual Studio Windows were ported over to be common. But Visual Studio Mac was 100% rebranded Xamarin Studio which of course was just an evolution of MonoDevelop.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by Contortion »

jw1224 wrote: post #165
mattlondon wrote: post #153

Genuine question with an open mind: why would I use this and not vscode? I know people complain about lag in vscode but I have personally never experienced/noticed any. So with that in mind what does rider give that vscode cannot?

I’m a PhpStorm user so not familiar with Rider specifically, but in my experience JetBrains IDEs are exactly that: Integrated Development Environments. Whereas VSCode is more of a code editor first and foremost. There’s tons of overlap between the two, and for casual development VSCode will usually be fine. But as a professional I rely on IDEA to make a living, and it rarely lets me down. 95% of everything I could ev…

I've tried VS Code and Haystack (based on VS Code) for writing PHP and I just couldn't stand it after having used PhpStorm. Basic things like copying variables, indenting, moving lines into if statements, multiple cursors etc. just aren't intuitive in VS Code when writing PHP and a lot of the things I can do in PhpStorm with the press of a button just aren't possible.

I really hope they move PhpStorm to the same payment model as Rider so I can also use it for my own non-work projects.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by qwwdfsad »

OtomotO wrote: post #129

I loved JetBrains IDEs years back. These days I am mostly using NeoVim. I decided today to stop supporting JetBrains BECAUSE there is no good kotlin language server. I would gladly pay them money even if I don't use their IDEs if only they provided a good language server.

I wonder though, do you expect good LSP to be available for commercial use free of charge?
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