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Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by corytheboyd »

alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

This isn’t a rebuttal, just my complementary $0.02 on top.

It’s more complicated than “developers are cheap”. They understand software complexity, and when paying is justified. They know what a clear online grift looks like. They have and make free software. I’m happy to pay the JetBrains subscription because it’s actually good enough to warrant the price. You can’t trick a carpenter into buying a poorly build and/or overpriced cabinet by putting a fancy handle on it.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by jchw »

BadHumans wrote: post #66
jchw wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike this implication that developers are greedy when the real tension is commercial interests vs mutually beneficial communal interests. Of course everyone expects to get paid, but developers love community projects and protect them fiercely because there's no natural force that can. It's all up to the people themselves. Sure, some minority of people are just greedy and rude. I think most people aren't. As far…

> Sure, some minority of people are just greedy and rude. You're conflating 2 different things together. I don't think most people are rude. I think most people are greedy.

They are two things but they are not vastly unrelated. In this context the rudeness would mostly come from entitlement which is definitely related to (and still distinct from) being "greedy".

As far as "most people are greedy" goes, that really comes down to how you quantify "greed" and I really think we're better off agreeing to disagree on this point.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by CharlieDigital »

wokwokwok wrote: post #56
CharlieDigital wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a Rider license for a while but just let it lapse. I've found myself totally satisfied with just VS Code on macOS (it's come a really long way). I'm glad that this move will possibly make .NET more accessible, but I think VSC is in a really good place with C# at the moment and shouldn't be overlooked.

What fan boy nonsense is this? The VSC support for c# is miles behind visual studio. Rider isn’t as good either, but it’s certainly better than VSC. Are you heavily using typescript with a bit of c# or a really tiny code base? This comment is incomprehensible to me. Do you never refactor code? There are a lot of sophisticated things you can’t do with VSC. It’s a great editor; but not for c#. The benefit of using it i…

100k lines of C# in 8 projects, 40k lines of Vue SFCs in 2 workspaces, 39k lines of TypeScript in a monorepo.

I use it every day on a 2021 M1 MacBook Pro 16GB/512GB.

Works completely fine to the extent that I just let my Rider license lapse.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by recursive »

arkh wrote: post #45
sofixa wrote: post #12

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> who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay And who more often than not get their software imposed on by the orgs they work in, so it's doubly complicated - the developers have to be convinced themselves enough to be willing to convince their IT department/fellow developers to pay for.

Most professional developers in Western countries should have the means to pay for their own license if really needed.

My employer has a policy forbidding the use of software that I personally paid for. Free software is fine for some reason.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by scblzn »

However, be careful with the terms of non-commercial usage (Enforced heavy metrics)

"You agree that the product will send usage data to validate your compliance with the license terms and anonymous feature usage statistics..."

"The information collected under Sections 4.1. and 4.2. may include but is not limited to frameworks, file templates used in the Product, actions invoked, and other interactions with the Product’s features."

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by monsieurbanana »

izacus wrote: post #38
ozim wrote: post #16

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Given amount of open source available for free I can easily say your statement is totally wrong.

Huge majority of OSS developers (especially for big projects) are paid for their opensource work too.

I don't think so. If you're saying that in big projects (e.g. Linux) most developers are paid, sure, but those projects are a drop in the ocean of open source projects. I doubt very much that there are more paid than unpaid OSS developers but neither of us are bringing numbers.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by MangoCoffee »

alberth wrote: post #6

What an amazing accomplishment JetBrains has done. It's a bootstrapped, European company, doing $400M+ annually in revenue selling to developers (who are some of the most difficult buyers to convenience to pay). https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/annualreport-2023/

I do pay for software, even subpar ones like Telerik's controls, for a while.

I used to think I'd just use free open-source software until I became a developer myself.

Now, I believe people should be compensated for their work, even open-source developers who contribute their time and skills for free.

I think you meant Enterprise software that can cost a lot. a developer can't afford that.

Re: Rider is now free for non-commercial use

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Post by marklubi »

terminalbraid wrote: post #3

This is pretty huge all around, especially with Microsoft discontinuing Visual Studio for Mac. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/releases/2022... I'd also like to note the great integration Rider has with Godot and Unity for game development.

VS for Mac was junk. Better off trashing it and pushing people the VS Code route.

I use VS Code daily for .NET development. It's probably 70% of what VS on Windows is, but it works well and I don't need to run a VM for it (if I need some of the in-depth tracing and profiling stuff, I can still fire up the gold standard). VS on Mac was maybe 30%

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