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NetOpWibby wrote: post #155
levmiseri wrote: post #40

I can wholeheartedly recommend Svelte. As someone who can only do vanilla HTML/CSS/JS, it lets me build projects quickly and efficiently without having to learn something complex like React. Case in point this silly side project made in Svelte over a weekend: https://meoweler.com

> vanilla HTML/CSS/JS Svelte reminded me of how I got my start with coding. I love it. Refusing to learn React has cost me job opportunities but Svelte is just so much more pleasant to use and easy to grok. I’m currently building a social network with SvelteKit and I couldn’t be happier. Excellent DX.

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Post by maxpage »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #155
levmiseri wrote: post #40

I can wholeheartedly recommend Svelte. As someone who can only do vanilla HTML/CSS/JS, it lets me build projects quickly and efficiently without having to learn something complex like React. Case in point this silly side project made in Svelte over a weekend: https://meoweler.com

> vanilla HTML/CSS/JS Svelte reminded me of how I got my start with coding. I love it. Refusing to learn React has cost me job opportunities but Svelte is just so much more pleasant to use and easy to grok. I’m currently building a social network with SvelteKit and I couldn’t be happier. Excellent DX.

It has so much vanilla js & CSS vibes. Brings back the time when building web was so simple.

> easy to grok got me :)

Re: Svelte 5 Released

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Post by DarkUranium »

clessg wrote: post #14

Exciting, I love Svelte! Does anybody have experience with both Vue and Svelte? It's been a while since I used Vue but it seems like both frameworks have converged quite a bit over the years. With this release I'm particularly curious now: why would somebody pick one over the other?

I've recently moved from Svelte (initially 4, then 5) to Vue 3, and much prefer it.

The big issue for me was the lack of support for nested observables in Svelte, which caused no end of trouble; plus a lack of portals (though maybe the new snippets fix that?).

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Post by keyserj »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #240
cageface wrote: post #177

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There aren't very many good modern, maintained vanilla js libraries. But for just about anything I need in React I can find something polished and well supported that just works.

I'm not sure I understand. What types of libraries? When I think of libraries, I think of ExpressJS, lodash, JQuery, left-pad, etc. There are absolute tonnes of vanilla JS libraries. I've rarely used React, are you talking about React-specific libraries? I find it hard to believe that there are more maintained React libraries than vanilla JS libraries.

I don't have a strong opinion on the whole, but as someone who's been building a diagramming app for 2+ years, I've found react-flow to be the most solid free & open-source node-based diagram component, by far. At least in terms of quantity/quality of features and UX/DX. Though admittedly I haven't thoroughly looked at alternatives in about a year.

It basically singlehandedly convinced me that the ecosystem was worth going with react when I started my project, despite really enjoying svelte.

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Post by cageface »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #240
cageface wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't very many good modern, maintained vanilla js libraries. But for just about anything I need in React I can find something polished and well supported that just works.

I'm not sure I understand. What types of libraries? When I think of libraries, I think of ExpressJS, lodash, JQuery, left-pad, etc. There are absolute tonnes of vanilla JS libraries. I've rarely used React, are you talking about React-specific libraries? I find it hard to believe that there are more maintained React libraries than vanilla JS libraries.

All those libraries also work in React of course. The only vanilla js libraries that don't work well with React are UI libraries that assume they can control the DOM. But I can't think of many of those I'd prefer to the many excellent React UI libraries.

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Post by codethief »

angra_mainyu wrote: post #213
martpie wrote: post #178

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That the whole industry embraced. Not bad for a piece of trash.

An unfortunate issue. Vue is far better, as is Svelte.

Vue? Lol. I've been using Vue full-time in multiple large corporate code bases for the past 3½ years and I'd exchange it for React in a heartbeat. Its type checker and build toolchain are so abysmally bad and bug-riddled that I run into new bugs and limitations on the daily. …which is no surprise really if you introduce a new custom file format and make type checking an afterthought.

Meanwhile, React is basically pure TS and the only bugs I run into are the occasional limitations of TSC.

Re: Svelte 5 Released

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Post by VMtest »

VMtest wrote: post #130
Waterluvian wrote: post #118

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I can’t speak for the majority, but for my team it’s because it’s not worth the distraction. We’ve got years of experience and tooling and “tradition” with one approach. Why do we want a second? It’s also just not an interesting issue. In my experience, the actual coding (and later maintenance) of a web application is the least challenging, least interesting part of the project. At that stage, all the interesting pro…

From users' point of view, they only care about the performance really Some e-commerce apps use React in WebView on Android and the apps will become unresponsive after visiting several product pages (more than 10 probably). They have to be force closed and opened to be used again

reply to my own comment

reddit switch from reactjs to lit for performance reasons

https://www.reddit.com/r/reactjs/comments/12yxva6/whats_you_...

nothing is wrong with react, performance is obviously depending on how optimization is done

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Post by kirso »

nsonha wrote: post #212
rikroots wrote: post #185

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I went with Svelte when I built out the website for my canvas library a few years back[1]. It's proved to be easy to maintain the site, and I particularly like that it supported my vanilla JS library (which I use on the site's landing page) with minimal fuss. At some point I want to update the site to use Sveltekit, which I'd been experimenting with in personal projects. But then the team announced Svelte 5 and these…

It's funny because very early on the key selling point of Svelte was that you just mutate objects and it compiles to the observable pattern, unlike React's clunky setState syntax. Now, somehow magic symbols in the code is supposed to be an improvement? It doesn't seem that different from React's magic hooks these days. Is there some mysterious force of nature that binds front-end frameworks to bad decision making?

There is probably a reason they did with a ground-up rebuild and partially this is because svelte 4 didn't enable universal reactivity and $ was more confusing than useful.

Furthermore had limitations in terms of children which made it difficult to build UI libraries.

Svelte 5 now is actually simpler to learn for new comers despite higher verbosity.

I love it!

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Post by ysofunny »

bippihippi1 wrote: post #13

can I do async derived stores by default yet? It was kinda tricky to get working in svelte 4 and even Square/svelte-store wasn't super ergonomic. Would be super nice if it was built in

seems to be kinda the whole point? (I may be way off the mark)

just came back to svelte after using version 3 previously, and I'm still finding my footing;

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