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Huawei makes divorce from Android official with HarmonyOS NEXT launch

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Huawei or other Chinese companies are not particularly good at developer support. Maybe it's cultural or large corp or both. I have heard some bad stories about Ali cloud too. They are usable, but not particularly easy to use.

in agreement bro. their ECS equivalent's pages are still in hanzhi making it quite a pain to use.

Yeah they don't care too much about developer experience.

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That’s clearly not the case though? A lot of Huawei gear is still installed and operating, as of today, in US telecom networks. Even the pentagon is contracting with many companies using Huawei gear.

Usage of their equipment is one thing, technology export to a blacklisted company is another. The telecom providers arguably put quite some pressure to maintain such a distinction, since they purchased and paid for said equipment. But for i.e. Google it would have been a crime to provide dedicated technology access (early-access code, Google Services, etc.) for Huawei to then integrate into their products.

It's a real shame, such a phone would be a win-win as far as google's code containing all the NSA backdoors and such, and Huwai's hardware containing all the CSA's hardware backdoors and such. Imagine the cyberspace wars and battles being fought in that phone in your pocket.

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Julian Assange was wanted for publishing confidential documents, not speaking out against the government.

Yes, publishing confidential documents that expose government crimes, including war crimes. On the one hand, people argue for things like free speech and human rights, but on the other hand, the same people play petty semantics games to cover up their own society's shortcomings. Are you truly a supporter of free speech and human rights, or are you just anti-$OTHER_GROUP? Behavior like this are actively harmful to the…

The documents Assange published also included lots of information on civilians in places like Afghanistan who had worked against groups like the Taliban. That put those people at risk of retaliation.

It's not really very pro human rights to go around doxing the people who are working for human rights in those places. There was nothing in the government crimes or alleged crimes in the documents that needed to be released before the documents had been thoroughly reviewed and the information on people not involved redacted.

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exactly how we can read the MacOS, Windows and all the Google apps code that are bundled with virtually every Android phone, right?

If you live in the west and criticise your government, nothing happens. If you live in China and criticise your government, even in private, you can go missing or end up in a camp

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The article explicitly cites it in the second last paragraph. It was a bit more than political pressure, though: Huawei was added to the entity list and it would be a crime for US companies or citizens to do business with them.

I may be misremembering but I thought Google kicked them out even before, primarily because Huawei wanted to have only Huawei services and not Google services, which goes against Google’s terms.

I don't think so. I bought a Huawei P30 Pro on release date (March 2019), it had (and still has) Google services. On May 2019 the US ban came, and from there on, new models had no Google services.

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What would they offer outside China? They still don’t have access to android.

I never remember the clear lines. I think they're bared from US distribution and PlayStore being Google is a no-go. But they're not banned in the EU nor SEA or anywhere outside the US really, and the open source part of android is also probably fair game. It feels like refocusing on the Chinese market only is a business move more than a limitation of what they can do. Perhaps Xiaomi is putting too much market pressur…

While they can sell phones in the EU, having no access to the closed parts of Android is a big deal, as it brings problems with many everyday needs like banking apps.

In my country, Spain, Huawei was the market leader with over 28% market share:

https://e00-expansion.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/20...

Since the ban, their market share suddenly plunged and is now 3%, and obviously the reason is lack of Google services.

I myself stopped buying Huawei phones despite thinking that they were far superior to other brands (Xiaomi is a joke compared to the reliability of Huawei products, my 2019 Huawei P30 Pro is still in active use by my wife and its battery lasts for more than a day after close to five years. She didn't want to "update" to a newer Pixel 6 Pro since the battery was much worse). But I don't have time to spend on periodically hacking the phone to get access to Google services when an update makes the previous hack stop working.

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didn't say it was ok to arrest people protesting. Just that it's nothing comparable with non-democratic countries like china or russia. You can protest in front of the white house. Just don't try that in moscow or beijing.

You can do stuff in front of the White House as long as you're a nobody and it doesn't actually threathen powerful interests. How many of these protests where nobody was arrested, actually resulted in change? What's the point of protesting if nothing ever changes? Thousands of children have already been killed in Gaza, but we can protest in front of the White House while the killing continues, and that makes us bette…

i think a wide majority of americans are perfectly fine with the way israel responded after oct 7, and that is why the US policy doesn't change.

I'm happy a handful of people protesting can't impact a policy, that would be anti-democratic.

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There are only two kernel architectures in use though: Unix-derived and Windows. This could make for a very different new entry

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the new Huawei OS will use a unique kernel architecture.

a microkernel is already different to linux.

the top answer on https://www.zhihu.com/question/640078375/answer/3367442919 suggests it was based on the Minix 3 μk, but the bottom answer claims it's greenfield development.

(someone who cares more than I do could buy one of the devices listed in the middle answer and enlighten us as to what's on it?)

EDIT: looks not-minixy to me, according to Huawei's OSDI slides: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41934156

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Notably, this is a microkernel, multiserver operating system[0]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS_NEXT

I find it interesting how Huawei was able to make a nearly brand new microkernel operating system in a short amount of time, meanwhile Google with Fuchsia... Despite it being Huawei, I am interested to see how well the OS plans out.

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41934156 for more details

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Very interesting wikipedia info: Written in: C, C++, JavaScript, ArkTS, Cangjie,[1] Rust, Assembly language and others

https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/cn/cangjie/ (many alternative natural languages available in the dropdown; none of the ones I tried currently map) Looks algolish. EDIT: according to https://blog.csdn.net/qiushi_1990/article/details/140528431 from 19.07.2024 those are the languages supported for writing apps, not necessarily the implementation language(s) for the μk? > - 多语言开发支持 支持多种语言开发 如ArkTS和C/C++ 进一步提升了应用性能。…

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41934156 :

> The core kernel of HM is implemented primarily in a confined subset of C, consisting of 90k lines of code (LoC), which includes the basic functionalities. All other OS services are decoupled and can be deployed individually, totaling over 1 million LoC. The HM’s build system can assemble the OS services based on detailed configurations specified for various scenarios, such as placing OS services in different isolation classes or coalescing some OS services.

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