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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by consumer451 »

anthk wrote: post #63
vdrkhlm wrote: post #14

Reposting from a duplicate discussion. Communicating clearly that you cannot currently accept contributions from people potentially associated with problematic businesses is an understandable decision. Tone of voice stated following the removal of a list of names of people you used to work with not too long makes this sound like a petty statement if anything.

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Say that is true, then to be consistent, why is the MSS (CN) and GRU (RU) not included? Are those countries not also trying to project power, and compromise every system possible?

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by sundarurfriend »

If this was purely because of sanctions, this could have been handled much more gracefully. But it's clear from Linus' comments that he just doesn't respect these volunteers because they happen to be from a particular country.

> I'm Finnish. ... Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

If we're suddenly taking history as a criterion, half of the world should ban British developers from touching their projects in any way, for their repeated aggressions and ruinous colonialism. This sort of behaviour is slowly building a soft Great Firewall around the West, and making it seem like China had the right idea all along.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by ffsm8 »

ogurechny wrote: post #78
paulcarroty wrote: post #71

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You're saying that everyone who has e-mail ending in “@yahoo.com” works at Yahoo. The rest of the post shows the same level of understanding of the world us. Obviously you haven't thought that blocking participants for reasons you've mentioned should start with Linus Torvalds, currently a US citizen. Maybe later he can present some papers or something to guarantee that he's not involved...

No, neither the person you're responding to nor Linus torwald said or implied that.

the reason for the removal was not that they had an email address on a public and free email provider that coincidentally had a Russian tld.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by consumer451 »

anthk wrote: post #77
consumer451 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have made a lot of assumptions my friend. I personally have issues with all authoritarian countries, including the ones you mentioned. > End the stage performance, please. We all know it's all about money and power. You are ridiculously incorrect. For me, it is about freedom, democracy, and the right to continue breathing. I currently live a few hundred km from the war in Europe. Russian state media threatens to…

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by ogurechny »

tivert wrote: post #67
Bostonian wrote: post #4

Is this being done as a sanction against Russia or because it is feared that the Russian government would get some rogue developers to submit code to the kernel that enables attacks? Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions.

> Individual Russian programmers are not responsible for the invasion of Ukraine, so I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions. True, but individual Russian programmers are not free of Putin's influence, and could be compelled to do undesirable things. The day after the invasion of Ukraine, my employer locked out all contractors we employed who resided in Russia…

Treating employees like slaves, and boasting that you “help” their stupid asses is so charming. Oh my dear cork hat! Oh my dear plantation!

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by BSDobelix »

ogurechny wrote: post #79
raverbashing wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> because there used to be Finnish people who believed in the Soviets Yes those are called useful idiots

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Excellent point,

Pro Useful Idiot: Most people in my country want this war

Con Useful Idiot: This person (foreign assassin or whatever) wanted to kill {insert politician}, shows that we need this war and eradicate the enemy.

There is a book, but I forgot the title, it's about White/Grey/Black Propaganda, it's quite old, but it's considered the basic book for propaganda in new media (at that time flyers/radio/newspapers).

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by sivakon »

oneshtein wrote: post #59
galkk wrote: post #16

Ahh, old one "anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian state sponsored troll". If he had just written - compliance, we cannot work with sanctioned entities, that would be fine and understandable.

Russia spends hundreds of millions on propaganda (paid trolls), sabotage, and espionage. There is lot of cases for Article 4 of NATO already. It's better to say sorry than to risk millions of lives.

US spends billions on paid propaganda.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/china-cold-war-2669160202/

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by ruthmarx »

llm_trw wrote: post #46
ruthmarx wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a great answer since I was saying your claim specifically didn't apply to him , i.e. one person. Look at the logic of this conversation, a paraphrased version of the actual one we had: --- Submission: Jack the firefighter says x You: All people who say x must be crazy or being paid Me: In this case Jack's claims likely have merit You: So anyone that says x is paid? Where's my check? --- You see how that doesn't t…

Submission: Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian shill. Me: It's stupid to claim that everyone who disagrees with you is a Russian shill. You: Spends five posts aggressively misunderstanding what I've said.

Sigh. I didn't misunderstand anything, I specifically said in this particular instance his claims might be valid, in contrast to your outright dismissal of them.

What a frustrating and pointless discussion because you were so set on misunderstanding something so simple. No wonder your comments are getting flagged.

Good luck to you.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Post by [deleted] »

sundarurfriend wrote: post #82

If this was purely because of sanctions, this could have been handled much more gracefully. But it's clear from Linus' comments that he just doesn't respect these volunteers because they happen to be from a particular country. > I'm Finnish. ... Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too. If we're suddenly taking history as a criterion, half of the world should ban British develope…

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