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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by ogurechny »

Wytwwww wrote: post #163
ogurechny wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whether we like to acknowledge it or not, the world has been split in two Someone who is so dependent on media images that he declares them unquestionable truths in advance is probably unqualified to reason about propaganda.

It is self evident, though? Russia, NK and Iran at least.. I wouldn't necessarily say that China is technically on Russia's side. Not to such a degree that most Western countries are on Ukraine's side. They even comply with some sanctions and AFAIK aren't actually sending weapons to Russia.

O swallowers of voids, Newspaper-reading ones!

https://ruverses.com/marina-tsvetaeva/readers-of-newspapers/...

https://ruverses.com/marina-tsvetaeva/readers-of-newspapers/...

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by walterbell »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #185
homebrewer wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of those emigrees have returned. Out of all people I personally know only two still live abroad, and only one of them has no plans to ever go back (but has not changed his passport because it's truly difficult). And saying "they could easily have emigrated" shows that you have zero touch with the common man. No, many people can't "simply leave" even if their profession is in demand. Edit: ah, I now see your othe…

It helps to think of these people as essentially Mao's Red Guards. They are (I hope) still very young and as a result very absolutist in their thinking. They are fanatical about their country being the best because they haven't seen or experienced much else. And they get a sense of power from belonging to what they think is the group of the People Who Are Always Right. Mao's Red Guards. Because these ducks quack like…

We need literature, fiction or non-fiction, which can illustrate some historical thought fallacies that have lead well-intentioned humans into destruction empowered by self-righteousness. Bonus for testimonials by humans who have recovered from this civilizational anti-pattern.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by walterbell »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #157
type0 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a geopolitical drama or melodrama, Linux Foundation needs to follow the laws of US where it's located. It's the same as any other American company

Linux Foundation was never supposed to stifle collaboration in the kernel. They are supposed to be a way to support Linux in a tax-advantaged way, full stop. EFF should start a fork if any part of them still stands for what's in their name.

What percentage of LF budget goes towards Linux?

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by maeil »

fred_is_fred wrote: post #88
forinti wrote: post #40

Are US corporations going to be forced to fire their Russian coders?

They should have already based on the sanctions two years ago, Belarus also. Some examples: https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/8/23159656/microsoft-russia-... https://www.reuters.com/business/russia-shrugs-off-jobs-impa... https://www.hpe.com/us/en/newsroom/statement/2022/06/hpe-ann... https://newsroom.ibm.com/Update-on-IBMs-Business-Operations-...

"Coders in Russia" != "Russian coders".

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by nradov »

thayne wrote: post #145
Suppafly wrote: post #140

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>To this casual bystander it seems like they usually hurt innocent citizens far more than the leaders of the usually authoritarion regime that it targets. That's kinda the point. The common folk put pressure on their leaders to correct their behavior.

That assumes the common folk can put pressure on their leaders, which is usually not the case for countries targeted by sanctions from the US, which usually have autocratic or otherwise authoritarian governments.

History is full of violent revolutions against autocratic governments. We should inflict maximum pain on the Russian populace. Be as cruel as possible. Keep the pressure on. Eventually it might pay off. And even if it doesn't work, it serves as an object lesson to other countries on the consequences of opposing US policies.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by solarkraft »

ruraljuror wrote: post #179
riehwvfbk wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all that an evil Russian who wants to commit murder by way of a git commit has to do is... register a free gmail account and come up with a fake name. Gotcha. Certainly no bad guy will ever think of this.

a random free gmail account and a fake name does not give you the ability to commit to the linux kernel, so no.

It allows you to get code into the kernel by way of sending patches. Eventually you may earn enough trust to get into some kind of power position. Surely you remember the liblzma/xz story.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by woleium »

scoofy wrote: post #180
v1ne wrote: post #142

The email thread continues. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Which I find pretty concerning statements, quite a disservice to the community. It's a…

Open source means put up or shut up. If you don’t like the institutions, then build it yourself. You can’t cry foul when the group is literally providing you with free software. Open source institutions don’t own anyone anything beyond open software.

That is the letter of the law, yes. I would suggest though that the spirit / intent behind the law includes fostering a community, which in turn encourages open and clear communication.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by 4bpp »

zhdi wrote: post #192
0x142857 wrote: post #189

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Welcome to using a Chinese OS lol

So what, now you can directly watched by CCP?

Why should this be a problem for anyone outside of China? It's only when the same people can read your messages and send dudes with guns to your doorstep if they don't like what they see that things actually get dangerous.

Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status

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Post by sumanthvepa »

type0 wrote: post #72
snvzz wrote: post #69

Not a good idea for Linux to get involved in geopolitical drama. Any self-respecting maintainer will not come back after this. Linux might have a lot of developers, but has a hard time finding and retaining maintainers. This is not a good development.

It's not a geopolitical drama or melodrama, Linux Foundation needs to follow the laws of US where it's located. It's the same as any other American company

I agree. It's not big deal. The Russian team can just fork the kernel, and manage it under their own legal structures. It's really not that hard. Indeed CentOS was maintained by just one person for many years.

It's not a big deal for Linux either, the code in question is mostly for devices that are not sold in the west. So no loss there.

That's the beauty of open source, you can say no to contributions for any reason whatsoever, and the contributor can fork your code and continue to develop it as they please.

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