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Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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The article is a snapshot of the discussion that's still happening on the mailing list. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

>I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

Oh boy, everyone who disagrees with me works for the Kremlin.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #21
post #8

The article is a snapshot of the discussion that's still happening on the mailing list. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.

>I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Oh boy, everyone who disagrees with me works for the Kremlin.

I mean, it's likely not just deflection/paranoia in his case.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Oh boy, everyone who disagrees with me works for the Kremlin.

I mean, it's likely not just deflection/paranoia in his case.

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Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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so it's just these accounts can not contribute to Linux kernel, or their contributions were removed?

Removing all the old contributions is probably impossible.

IIUC in case they want to contribute, they must send the patch to the new maintainer of that part of Linux, instead of sending it directly to Linus.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would be reluctant to punish them for Putin's crime and to deprive Linux of their contributions. They can still contribute to Linux - being removed as a maintainer doesn't mean you can't fork Linux. If they have downstream changes they want to contribute to everyone upstream, there is nothing here preventing them from doing it the same way everyone else does.

As if a normal person would bother lol. If I was discriminated this way just because of my country of birth, I'd stop engaging with such an organization at all.

Most people working on the Linux kernel are being paid by their employers to do so. This creates roadblocks for those companies. The days of the kernel being developed by a majority of idealistic developers is long gone.

Re: Linus Torvalds comments on the Russian Linux maintainers being delisted

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Sure, just as soon as the EU sanctions the US or Israel.

Reread what he said- legal reasons (sanctions) caused a number of people to be removed from the MAINTAINERS list because they work for Russian companies that fall under sanctions.

Someone realized (or was reminded) of the sanctions, and they did their due diligence to remove them as required by Finnish and/or EU law.

This doesn't mean they can't submit code- just that they have to go through other maintainers and have their code audited, just like basically everyone else. It doesn't mean their code is removed, or that attribution is removed. It just means they can no longer act as maintainers.

As for Torvald's comment about aggression? Someone was asking him to break sanctions and restore these people to MAINTAINERS, and his response was basically "Why would I stick my neck out to try to take a stand against sanctions for a country whose policies and politics are abhorrent to myself and my country?"

As for why Linus doesn't want to engage? Why should he engage with new accounts coming out of the woodwork that aren't contributors, maintainers, or involved in Linux at all? He has better things to do, like work on Linux, especially since he just lost a large number of maintainers that reduce the load on him.

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