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Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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Post by prewett »

irrational wrote: post #6
jbs789 wrote: post #4

IQ + EQ Shocker… Suppose that comment reflects low awareness of the HN community

Maybe it is stereotypical, but I would score high on IQ but abysmally low on EQ. So, I have no chance of ever being considered wise.

EQ is definitely learnable. Over twenty years I've gone from clueless to perceptive if I'm paying attention. Unfortunately, in familiar groups where I feel emotionally safe, I tend not to pay the attention as much and just enjoy myself, and then I say things without thinking through how other people might perceive them.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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Post by oceanplexian »

I don’t think that simply grabbing people from a handful of countries somehow cancels out groupthink from the data, which is more likely to affect perceptions of wisdom. Especially when information on who to trust is constantly pushed by globalist media organizations.

Take COVID for example, the WHO was universally portrayed as wise. The world went along with their conclusions but Sweden, South Korea and large parts of the US obviously didn’t, despite having little in common culturally. My conclusion is that perceptions of wisdom are more a function of the media than they are any particular culture or nationality.

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Post by DiscourseFan »

oceanplexian wrote: post #12

I don’t think that simply grabbing people from a handful of countries somehow cancels out groupthink from the data, which is more likely to affect perceptions of wisdom. Especially when information on who to trust is constantly pushed by globalist media organizations. Take COVID for example, the WHO was universally portrayed as wise. The world went along with their conclusions but Sweden, South Korea and large parts…

Wisdom here is not something that is specifically outlined in discourse but pointed towards through a constellation of qualities observed by a random set of individuals

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Post by caseyy »

prewett wrote: post #11
irrational wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is stereotypical, but I would score high on IQ but abysmally low on EQ. So, I have no chance of ever being considered wise.

EQ is definitely learnable. Over twenty years I've gone from clueless to perceptive if I'm paying attention. Unfortunately, in familiar groups where I feel emotionally safe, I tend not to pay the attention as much and just enjoy myself, and then I say things without thinking through how other people might perceive them.

How does one learn to think about the emotional “room temperature” before they speak?

My mind doesn’t work that way so I’m curious. Does one pause before every sentence and play out a little scenario in their head of how people will respond?

It would do me so much good to improve in this area.

Re: What makes a person seem wise?

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Post by w10-1 »

The methodology seems to assume what it is trying to prove with the predefined dimensions being measured.

Another methodology might be attribution: provide a number of stories and ask readers to assess whether actions were due to wisdom, enlightened self-interest, social norms, etc.

Also, stories of Socrates and others long have presented wisdom as a kind of foolishness for outing others’ ignorance or failing to assert one’s own interest in games of mutual self-interest. So a follow-on question for each story would be whether wisdom really led to the best course of action.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

caseyy wrote: post #16
prewett wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EQ is definitely learnable. Over twenty years I've gone from clueless to perceptive if I'm paying attention. Unfortunately, in familiar groups where I feel emotionally safe, I tend not to pay the attention as much and just enjoy myself, and then I say things without thinking through how other people might perceive them.

How does one learn to think about the emotional “room temperature” before they speak? My mind doesn’t work that way so I’m curious. Does one pause before every sentence and play out a little scenario in their head of how people will respond? It would do me so much good to improve in this area.

simply pausing before speaking, even for a second, has done wonders for me... you can gain a little more time with a well placed "hmmm" occasionally
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