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Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by pnut »

Throw83489i7 wrote: post #18
pvaldes wrote: post #16

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> And nations that do not tolerate dogs are healthier. Yeah, the furry bastards force people to walk every day, two times a day, train their launching skills, make people laugh, alleviate boredom and mental issues, save children from their bad ideas, and drag its owners directly to interact with other dog owners and make friends. Social interaction, exercise, security, happiness... just the opposite to following a he…

Dogs are the biggest source of domestic violence in America...

I know I have my heart broken multiple times a day, it's just cruel!

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by Waterluvian »

cheschire wrote: post #35
Waterluvian wrote: post #34

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I dunno if it’s really so simplistic. I hear the wait time complaint about Canada a lot but it’s partly because we care for everyone, so sometimes you’ve got to wait if you’re not in real trouble. Especially with emergency care it’s quite fast. Back in August my son fell off the monkey bars and his elbow exploded. Ambulance in 7 mins. Hospital triage in 5 mins. Doctor 5 mins after. X-ray took 5 mins. Waited 7 mins. D…

Since you have a specific anecdote as an argument, could you expand on your “American approach” concept and how it applies to your situation? I don’t mean talk in vague assertions about how you have read some other specific yet unrelated anecdotes about childbirth costing $125,000 or something. I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable inco…

I made the mistake of touching on a complicated, important, and oft-contentious topic just before starting my work day. Not ghosting you, but I'll do my best to get back to this when I have the time required to offer a worthwhile response.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by einpoklum »

lqstuart wrote: post #4

Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. If you need a reason to be grateful in spite of mundane crap like housing costs and white collar jobs, the developing world offers some lessons in humility and gratitude.

> how wonderful life is in America

Which parts of America?

I mean, the US has lots of areas where the water is contaminated with carcinogens and other toxins and pollutants. The oil pipeline spills alone are already a handful, and then there's mining slurry, and industry dumping their waste where they really shouldn't etc. etc.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by foldr »

cheschire wrote: post #35
Waterluvian wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno if it’s really so simplistic. I hear the wait time complaint about Canada a lot but it’s partly because we care for everyone, so sometimes you’ve got to wait if you’re not in real trouble. Especially with emergency care it’s quite fast. Back in August my son fell off the monkey bars and his elbow exploded. Ambulance in 7 mins. Hospital triage in 5 mins. Doctor 5 mins after. X-ray took 5 mins. Waited 7 mins. D…

Since you have a specific anecdote as an argument, could you expand on your “American approach” concept and how it applies to your situation? I don’t mean talk in vague assertions about how you have read some other specific yet unrelated anecdotes about childbirth costing $125,000 or something. I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable inco…

> I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable income?

That's the fun thing about the US system. The only way to find out how much it costs is to wait for the bill. So while your question is a fair one, logically speaking, it's unanswerable in practice.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by echelon »

bilekas wrote: post #37
cheschire wrote: post #32

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Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

> Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. It's prioritized as per need, for example elective/preventative operations or procedures will be delayed if there is a new higher level emergency, this makes practical sense given the nature of healthcare and I have never had a problem with that. It's slightly off topic though, my comment was off the cuff but it's a reality. > Your preference appears to be financ…

> Well regardless of financial accessibility if you can justify why in the US the markup of pharmaceuticals is so extraordinarily high for everything vs the rest of the world ?

We do a lot of the (very expensive) drug discovery and testing.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by retsibsi »

switch007 wrote: post #13

Shigellosis is god awful. I've had it three times, from sexual contact. Let's just say I won't do anything more than a peck on the cheek unless I've witnessed the person shower first as many people's hygiene standards are disgusting

This is possibly way too personal, and obviously I get it if you don't reply. But I'm curious -- was the sexual contact of a sort that would obviously carry this risk? Or a sort where you had to get very unlucky, or something in between?

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by virgildotcodes »

cheschire wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #26

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> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

I was acutely ill on vacation in the UK and went to the hospital, got seen within an hour, no bill.

I’ve waited far longer in US hospitals and paid hundreds of dollars AFTER insurance.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by retsibsi »

meindnoch wrote: post #25
secondcoming wrote: post #19

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While avoiding animals is a bit much, I don’t understand how some people tolerate cats walking over, and sitting on, kitchen surfaces

Indoor cats don't have any pathogens that you don't already.

This seems too strong. Assuming they're 100% indoor, you could say they don't have any pathogens that haven't at some point been present in your house. But that's not so comforting.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by Throw83489i7 »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #40
Throw83489i7 wrote: post #18

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Dogs are the biggest source of domestic violence in America...

The idea of dogs being the main source of domestic violence in the U.S is hilarious. Is there some epidemic of drunken dogs coming home to beat their owners that I haven't heard of yet? But seriously, you seem to have a bizarrely pathological hatred of dogs, enough of it to just throw out completely random accusations against them with nothing at all to back your weird bullshit. Why? Who knows, but if you're going to…

> drunken dogs coming home to beat their owners that I haven't heard of yet?

Yes, it is called "reactive" dogs. Remember the definition of DV, next time someone is blamed for provoking the dog. Even if dog is "provoked", that is not valid reason for violence!

And I am not talking about dog owners, but their victims. Mostly children, spouses... They have no option to leave an abusive household. Many times they are gaslit and shamed. Dog owners have many privileges, and can get away with brutal child murder!

Even threats of violence (growling), or forced sleep deprivation are DV!!!

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by foobarian »

foldr wrote: post #44
cheschire wrote: post #35

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Since you have a specific anecdote as an argument, could you expand on your “American approach” concept and how it applies to your situation? I don’t mean talk in vague assertions about how you have read some other specific yet unrelated anecdotes about childbirth costing $125,000 or something. I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable inco…

> I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable income? That's the fun thing about the US system. The only way to find out how much it costs is to wait for the bill. So while your question is a fair one, logically speaking, it's unanswerable in practice.

I wouldn't go that far. But it is true that there are far many more possible outcomes because of how diverse the private insurance system is.

At the very least one guaranteed difference is that you would NOT not get a bill.

Then, a common scenario is a health insurance setup that covers 100% of the cost beyond a threshold, while the individual is responsible for the cost below that threshold.

My threshold is $6k for example. In the above scenario with the elbow, I estimate that the total cost would be around $100-200k. So I would end up paying the full $6k, and the insurance would take care of the rest.

The other common scenario is one where the threshold is much lower (e.g. $200) but the insurance covers e.g. 90% of the total cost. I find that option more risky, because I know the total costs can be staggeringly high, and 10% of a staggering number is usually also a staggering number :-)

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