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Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by Throw83489i7 »

bregma wrote: post #30
Throw83489i7 wrote: post #5

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I live in a rural area. It is filled with all kinds of wildlife from earthworms to bears, all of whom leave their metabolic waste in large quantities everywhere. Should they all be eradicated and all the fields and forests be cleansed in the name of Good Hygiene?

Not in forests! But in cities and houses yes, absolutely! And we actually do that, if dangerous bear wanders into town, it gets removed! In cities we eradicate rats, cockroaches and all sorts of filthy animals!

Dangerous predators belong to nature and forests. Public city parks are not nature (or toilet)!

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by cheschire »

bilekas wrote: post #26
lqstuart wrote: post #4

Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. If you need a reason to be grateful in spite of mundane crap like housing costs and white collar jobs, the developing world offers some lessons in humility and gratitude.

> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous.

One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by Dove »

Throw83489i7 wrote: post #5

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I think mice are worse. They pee on everything and it can be difficult to tell they've been there. And hantavirus is no joke!

On the other hand, overly sanitary spaces don't seem to make us healthier overall. Living life fully necessarily entails some risk. :)

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by Waterluvian »

cheschire wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

I dunno if it’s really so simplistic. I hear the wait time complaint about Canada a lot but it’s partly because we care for everyone, so sometimes you’ve got to wait if you’re not in real trouble.

Especially with emergency care it’s quite fast. Back in August my son fell off the monkey bars and his elbow exploded. Ambulance in 7 mins. Hospital triage in 5 mins. Doctor 5 mins after. X-ray took 5 mins. Waited 7 mins. Diagnosis and sent to Children’s hospital one town over. More x-rays, surgery prep, surgery with two paediatric orthopaedic surgeons, four steel pins inserted, post-op, sleep, and he was home by 7am. Three more checkups with the main surgeon followed over the months.

Cost us $8 in parking. Never even saw a bill. I would never, ever, trade this for the American approach. I need to know that every kid on that playground gets this exact same level of care.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by cheschire »

Waterluvian wrote: post #34
cheschire wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

I dunno if it’s really so simplistic. I hear the wait time complaint about Canada a lot but it’s partly because we care for everyone, so sometimes you’ve got to wait if you’re not in real trouble. Especially with emergency care it’s quite fast. Back in August my son fell off the monkey bars and his elbow exploded. Ambulance in 7 mins. Hospital triage in 5 mins. Doctor 5 mins after. X-ray took 5 mins. Waited 7 mins. D…

Since you have a specific anecdote as an argument, could you expand on your “American approach” concept and how it applies to your situation?

I don’t mean talk in vague assertions about how you have read some other specific yet unrelated anecdotes about childbirth costing $125,000 or something. I mean how much would your son’s specific situation cost you in a comparable area of America for a family of comparable income?

The reason I ask is because the general approach should not be argued against with anecdotes. You commonly hear of wait time issues in universal healthcare countries. You commonly hear about cost of care issues in America. Generally speaking there is an obvious trade off.

And just like wait times and cost are preferences, your preference is equal care for children. In America that does not happen. That is part of the trade off.

I am not implying that all things are equal. I am unhappy with the health insurance cartels that drive up cost in America making the lower middle class suffer. I am unhappy with the inconsistent care availability from region to region across the country.

But I also resist the implication that American healthcare always bankrupts a person and that free / low cost care is a simple decision.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by bilekas »

cheschire wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

> Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous.

It's prioritized as per need, for example elective/preventative operations or procedures will be delayed if there is a new higher level emergency, this makes practical sense given the nature of healthcare and I have never had a problem with that.

It's slightly off topic though, my comment was off the cuff but it's a reality.

> Your preference appears to be financial.

Well regardless of financial accessibility if you can justify why in the US the markup of pharmaceuticals is so extraordinarily high for everything vs the rest of the world ?

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9914690/figure/heal...

I would be VERY nervous to be in the US without fully comp insurance.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by blahedo »

cheschire wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

Wait times in the US are also ridiculous. A couple years ago I tried to make a doctor's appt, at the clinic where I was regularly a patient, and had decent insurance, but it was for check-up stuff and to ask some questions. I called in July; the first available appointment was December.

On the other hand, when I've gone to that clinic with urgent issues, they see me the same day.

I gather it is much the same in systems with decent healthcare systems; just much, much, much less likely to bankrupt you just for being sick.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by croes »

cheschire wrote: post #32
bilekas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Articles like this are a nice reminder of just how wonderful life is in America, and just how far civilization has to fall if shit REALLY hits the fan someday. While I agree its cool to see progress. If I get sick in the US and need medical attention, just fly me back to Europe. Id rather not go bankrupt.

Sure you might not have the financial burden but actually getting attention is not as straightforward as I infer from your wording. Wait times in much of Europe are kind of ridiculous. One isn’t better than the other. There are trade offs. Your preference appears to be financial.

Wait times are much shorter if you cut off many people because they can’t afford the treatment.

Re: I got dysentery so you don’t have to

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Post by southernplaces7 »

Throw83489i7 wrote: post #18
pvaldes wrote: post #16

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> And nations that do not tolerate dogs are healthier. Yeah, the furry bastards force people to walk every day, two times a day, train their launching skills, make people laugh, alleviate boredom and mental issues, save children from their bad ideas, and drag its owners directly to interact with other dog owners and make friends. Social interaction, exercise, security, happiness... just the opposite to following a he…

Dogs are the biggest source of domestic violence in America...

The idea of dogs being the main source of domestic violence in the U.S is hilarious. Is there some epidemic of drunken dogs coming home to beat their owners that I haven't heard of yet?

But seriously, you seem to have a bizarrely pathological hatred of dogs, enough of it to just throw out completely random accusations against them with nothing at all to back your weird bullshit. Why? Who knows, but if you're going to do it why not add a source or two?

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