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I believe it is just lacking aggressive optimization. ARM is basically RISC as well, so it isn't an architectural limitation.
(Naive question) then is it really a big hurdle for a company who knows how to make arm chips to try making riscv chips?
Qualcomm is known for having a particularly aggressive & hardball-style legal department to enforce its patents on core telecom IP. I believe the most likely outcome is they just settle the dispute here. Arm fighting hardball with hardball. Which would not really affect the ecosystem of phones using Qualcomm arm chips, it would just change the margins / market cap of Qualcomm. Yes, longterm Q might invest in their ow…
Qualcomm doesn't have nearly as much to lose as ARM does and they know it. Qualcomm is almost certainly ARM's biggest customer. If ARM loses, Qualcomm doesn't have to pay out. If ARM wins, Qualcomm moves to RISC-V and ARM loses even harder in the long-term. The most likely outcome is that Qualcomm agrees to pay a slight bit more than they are currently paying, but nowhere near what ARM is demanding and in the meantim…
I think long term is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. How long until:
1. Qualcomm develops a chip that competitive in performance to ARM
2. The entire software world is ready to recompile everything for RISC-V
Unless you are Apple I see such a transition taking a decade easily.
Qualcomm is known for having a particularly aggressive & hardball-style legal department to enforce its patents on core telecom IP. I believe the most likely outcome is they just settle the dispute here. Arm fighting hardball with hardball. Which would not really affect the ecosystem of phones using Qualcomm arm chips, it would just change the margins / market cap of Qualcomm. Yes, longterm Q might invest in their ow…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe it is just lacking aggressive optimization. ARM is basically RISC as well, so it isn't an architectural limitation.
(Naive question) then is it really a big hurdle for a company who knows how to make arm chips to try making riscv chips?
Also we should not pretend that ARM is just going to sit there waiting for RISC-V to catch up.
Next week, Qualcomm will likely announce a 64 core RISC-V RVA23. ARM really shouldn't pursue an aggressive posture with lines outside iOS or Win11 ecosystems. The leverage won't hold a position already fractured off a legacy market. =3
1. I am fairly sure games and other performance sensitive apps are using the Android NDK which is not available for RISC-V. 2. I am fairly sure a competitive RISC-V CPU is not days or weeks but years away.
And chasing a moving target fueled by the largest technology companies on the planet.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe it is just lacking aggressive optimization. ARM is basically RISC as well, so it isn't an architectural limitation.
(Naive question) then is it really a big hurdle for a company who knows how to make arm chips to try making riscv chips?
Next week, Qualcomm will likely announce a 64 core RISC-V RVA23. ARM really shouldn't pursue an aggressive posture with lines outside iOS or Win11 ecosystems. The leverage won't hold a position already fractured off a legacy market. =3
Qualcomm is known for having a particularly aggressive & hardball-style legal department to enforce its patents on core telecom IP. I believe the most likely outcome is they just settle the dispute here. Arm fighting hardball with hardball. Which would not really affect the ecosystem of phones using Qualcomm arm chips, it would just change the margins / market cap of Qualcomm. Yes, longterm Q might invest in their ow…
The phones haven't been custom ARM chips since 32-bit Krait, IIRC. This is about Nuvia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krait_(processor)
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/smartpho...
810 had a 64-bit core designed by ARM
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/smartpho...
820/821 had a 64-bit Kryo custom core designed by Qualcomm
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/smartpho...
After that it was all cores from ARM. The custom CPU team worked on their server chip before getting cancelled and most of the team went to Microsoft
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe it is just lacking aggressive optimization. ARM is basically RISC as well, so it isn't an architectural limitation.
(Naive question) then is it really a big hurdle for a company who knows how to make arm chips to try making riscv chips?