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Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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History is already written, this is the age of everyone recording and sharing things. There's no meaningful rewriting it. They don't get to directly and intentionally kill and/or cause death, injury and illness to high hundreds of thousands of people very publicly and proudly, while writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Easy to see…

While writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Can you provide incident details, please? I'm not doubting that stuff like this has happened, but specific (at least theoretically reliable) attestations are always helpful.

These are relatively easy to google. Here's at least one of the incidents they referred to

https://imgur.com/a/UE5q2Fm

It's actually a common point of rhetoric:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/is...

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Ahh, here we go again: „Thousands of years ago jewish people populated the area.“ And that’s how nations define their borders in modern days? Who said it was one state? I said it was populated land. People lived there for centuries. Mostly Christian and muslim arabs. Some jewish arabs. And then came a settler colonial ideology in 19th century, way before Holocaust, polish jews, created the idea for a jewish majority…

Here we go again with genocide and nakba and settler colonialism. Here's the thing about settler colonialism: it's when you're sent by an empire to settle on land you're not native to. Jews are native to Israel. Dig in the ground, you'll find coins and pots and tablets in Hebrew. "Thousands of years ago" is not OK, but "for centuries" is. Sorry, you don't get to choose. As for the second Nakba, October 7th really was…

If you check the Bible you'll find that the Jews obtained their "homeland" through... genocide. Their deity told them to move there and kill every man, woman, child, and even the livestock already living there. They're just another invader.

Then they had a kingdom that lasted about 200 years before falling apart, we can count it as almost 500 years if you want to include the kingdom of Judah time. And now it's more than 2500 years later. Jews who can't trace a single ancestor back to the Middle East for hundreds of years can somehow claim to be indigenous to the land and "return" there. And they have the right to displace or murder the people who have been living there for generations and whose genetics show their ancestors have been in that area for hundreds or thousands of years.

Clearly this is an absurd standard of 'indigenous' that nobody in their right mind should take seriously.

As for your other claims, they are irrelevant. Whether or not Hamas uses or has used human shields is completely unrelated to whether or not it is good or righteous to commit genocide on the Palestinians (indeed, there can be NO excuse for genocide). And if using human shields is so vile that the people of the same country deserve to be slaughtered I should point out that the Israeli military has a rich history of using Palestinian civilians (including children) as human shields. And if October 7th qualifies as a holocaust, then what Israel has done in Gaza is a holocaust ten times over.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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The problem is that, if you do this, you're not using a one time pad anymore. You're using a stream cipher. The difference is in the nature of the security guarantees. Almost every cryptographic primitive is "computationally secure", which means the best-known attack is to try every key, and that would take beyond the heat death of the universe. One-time pads have "information-theoretical security", which is that eve…

If you generate your OTP beforehand with a PRNG, it's also a stream cipher with extra steps. The real key space is the PRNG seed space, not the size of the key you shipped. Expanding a small key into a big one doesn't make it an OTP - an OTP needs to be actually random.

The difficult of stream ciphers is generating good noise 100% predictably. With a one time pad generation you don't need to be able to reliably recreate good noise from the key.

The generator used at the time in BASIC seems to have reseeded the PRNG automatically based on processor time and the checksum of the last block generated by the previous seed so you'd have to use some other source of randomness because you couldn't control that on disparate machines even if you changed the clock on the decoding machine to exactly match the encoding machine at the time of generation.

Instead of just using a statistically useful rand the creator of this would have had to create their own implementation of a stream cipher and that's trusting the NSA hasn't backdoored all of them which was a fear at the time. We're honestly not certain still, though the times that people were most paranoid about like the DES standard it turns out they were actually improving the algorithms resilience.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Can you provide incident details, please? I'm not doubting that stuff like this has happened, but specific (at least theoretically reliable) attestations are always helpful.

These are relatively easy to google. Here's at least one of the incidents they referred to https://imgur.com/a/UE5q2Fm It's actually a common point of rhetoric: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/is...

Precious, thanks

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

#235
post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

History is already written, this is the age of everyone recording and sharing things. There's no meaningful rewriting it. They don't get to directly and intentionally kill and/or cause death, injury and illness to high hundreds of thousands of people very publicly and proudly, while writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Easy to see…

While writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Can you provide incident details, please? I'm not doubting that stuff like this has happened, but specific (at least theoretically reliable) attestations are always helpful.

Here for example https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1844123450908278982

Translation of the text behind the dancing soldiers in the first comment from B.M.

(BTW, three of these soldiers were eliminated already in Al-Zaytoun in Gaza City near the school where this was filmed - https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rylxrqpoc)

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Quite a bit of wishful thinking here. Who exactly would be able to defeat Israel? Iran? They are cowering in fear right now. Hamas? Hezbollah? Please.

> Who exactly would be able to defeat Israel? All it would take is for the US to stop giving them weapons. That's literally it. Their military, the IDF, is in extremely poor state. This isn't the same military that made history in the six day war. Under the same sort of conditions today the IDF would have their asses handed to them. When I say "extremely poor state" I am referring to their discipline, precision, and…

> like the Russian army who are absolutely having their asses handed to them by a vastly inferior force.

I was with you until you said this.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While writing "death to Arabs", "good Arab = dead Arab", "Nakba 2023", and other vile shit on the walls of their destroyed cities. Can you provide incident details, please? I'm not doubting that stuff like this has happened, but specific (at least theoretically reliable) attestations are always helpful.

Here for example https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1844123450908278982 Translation of the text behind the dancing soldiers in the first comment from B.M. (BTW, three of these soldiers were eliminated already in Al-Zaytoun in Gaza City near the school where this was filmed - https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rylxrqpoc )

Exquisite, thanks

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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post #232

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Here we go again with genocide and nakba and settler colonialism. Here's the thing about settler colonialism: it's when you're sent by an empire to settle on land you're not native to. Jews are native to Israel. Dig in the ground, you'll find coins and pots and tablets in Hebrew. "Thousands of years ago" is not OK, but "for centuries" is. Sorry, you don't get to choose. As for the second Nakba, October 7th really was…

If you check the Bible you'll find that the Jews obtained their "homeland" through... genocide. Their deity told them to move there and kill every man, woman, child, and even the livestock already living there. They're just another invader. Then they had a kingdom that lasted about 200 years before falling apart, we can count it as almost 500 years if you want to include the kingdom of Judah time. And now it's more t…

Thank you for the first part. Never saw it so clear. Here is a write up based on your text:

Jewish History in Palestine

The history of Jewish presence in Palestine and the claim to this land is often justified by religious, historical, and modern political narratives. Central to the debate are the biblical accounts of the conquest of Canaan and the brief duration of the ancient Jewish kingdoms. Today, the Jewish claim to the land after more than 2,000 years is frequently challenged, especially in light of the continuous presence of Palestinians in the region.

Biblical Narratives and the Conquest of Canaan

The Bible provides several accounts of the violent conquest of Canaan by the Israelites. Their God explicitly commanded them to exterminate the native population. This is illustrated clearly in the book of Joshua, where the destruction of Jericho is described:

“And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, sheep, and donkey, with the edge of the sword.” (Joshua 6:21)

This systematic annihilation of the population was understood by the Israelites as a divine command. A more explicit directive is found in the book of Deuteronomy:

“But of the cities of these peoples, which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them…” (Deuteronomy 20:16–18)

These passages suggest that the Israelites did not acquire their “homeland” through peaceful settlement but through genocide. According to the biblical narrative, they were invaders, seizing land through brutal force and eliminating its original inhabitants.

The Brief Duration of the Ancient Jewish Kingdoms

While the Jewish kingdoms play a significant role in the Bible, their actual existence was historically limited. The Kingdom of Israel (the northern kingdom) lasted only about 200 years before being conquered by the Assyrians, while the Kingdom of Judah (the southern kingdom) existed for around 350 years before being destroyed by the Babylonians. In total, the Jewish people had about 500 years of political control in the region—a relatively short period compared to the millennia during which other civilizations lived there.

Now, more than 2,500 years have passed since the fall of these Jewish kingdoms. In that time, the descendants of the local populations—today’s Palestinians—have lived continuously in the region. The claim that Jews, after centuries of absence, have a right to return to this land appears weak, especially considering that many Jews living in Israel today have no genealogical connection to ancient Israel.

Ancestry and Genetic Studies

Modern genetic research further supports the notion of a deep-rooted Palestinian presence in the region. A 2017 study revealed that around 90% of the DNA of modern Palestinians is derived from the people who lived in Bronze Age Canaan. This suggests that the Palestinians are the direct descendants of the ancient inhabitants who lived there long before the arrival of the Israelites.

In contrast, many modern Jews have no traceable ancestry to the biblical Israelites. Historians like Shlomo Sand argue that many Jews are descendants of later converts, such as the Khazars from Eastern Europe, who embraced Judaism centuries after the fall of the Jewish kingdoms. These findings cast doubt on the idea that Jews have an inherent right to return to the land.

Historical Expulsions and Colonization

The claim of returning to the “ancestral homeland” after over 2,000 years is also problematic from a historical and moral standpoint. Following their expulsion by the Romans in the 1st century CE, Jews lived primarily in the Diaspora, while the ancestors of today’s Palestinians continued to reside in the region.

In the 20th century, European powers, through the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration, facilitated colonial projects that supported the Zionist movement. These events led to the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, resulting in the Nakba—the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes. As such, the establishment of Israel can be seen as a colonial project that relied on the displacement and dispossession of the native population to make way for Jewish settlers, many of whom had no direct genealogical link to the region.

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The biblical account of the genocidal conquest of Canaan and the brief political presence of the ancient Jewish kingdoms challenge the modern Jewish claim to the land. Given the genetic continuity of the Palestinian population and the colonial backing of modern Zionism, the Jewish right of return after so many centuries appears increasingly questionable.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh, here we go again: „Thousands of years ago jewish people populated the area.“ And that’s how nations define their borders in modern days? Who said it was one state? I said it was populated land. People lived there for centuries. Mostly Christian and muslim arabs. Some jewish arabs. And then came a settler colonial ideology in 19th century, way before Holocaust, polish jews, created the idea for a jewish majority…

Here we go again with genocide and nakba and settler colonialism. Here's the thing about settler colonialism: it's when you're sent by an empire to settle on land you're not native to. Jews are native to Israel. Dig in the ground, you'll find coins and pots and tablets in Hebrew. "Thousands of years ago" is not OK, but "for centuries" is. Sorry, you don't get to choose. As for the second Nakba, October 7th really was…

Dig in the ground, you'll find coins and pots and tablets in Hebrew.

Hey, looks like they just found not just a few coins and pots, but an entire Nabatean temple (along with a warehouse district) just off the cost of Italy.

So by your logic, Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia are welcome to annex the surrounding land (which much have belonged to the settlement also), and start kicking out the rootless interlopers currently living the area, any time they want to.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/underwater-temple...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42011078

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