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Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Every time I see this argument made, there seems to be a level of complexity and/or operational cost above which people throw up their hands and say "well of course we can't do that". I feel like we will see that again here as well. It really is similar to the self-driving problem.

I feel pain for the people who will be employed to "prompt engineer" the behavior of these things. When they inevitably hallucinate some insane behavior a human will have to take blame for why it's not working.. and yea, that'll be fun to be on the receiving end of.

Humans 'hallucinate' like LLMs. The term used however, is confabulation: we all do it, we all do it quite frequently, and the process is well studied(1).

> We are shockingly ignorant of the causes of our own behavior. The explanations that we provide are sometimes wholly fabricated, and certainly never complete. Yet, that is not how it feels. Instead it feels like we know exactly what we're doing and why. This is confabulation: Guessing at plausible explanations for our behavior, and then regarding those guesses as introspective certainties. Every year psychologists use dramatic examples to entertain their undergraduate audiences. Confabulation is funny, but there is a serious side, too. Understanding it can help us act better and think better in everyday life.

I suspect it's an inherent aspect of human and LLM intelligences, and cannot be avoided. And yet, humans do ok, which is why I don't think it's the moat between LLM agents and AGI that it's generally assumed to be. I strongly suspect it's going to be yesterday's problem in 6-12 months at most.

(1) https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11513

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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This needs more discussion: Claude using Claude on a computer for coding https://youtu.be/vH2f7cjXjKI?si=Tw7rBPGsavzb-LNo (3 mins) True end-user programming and product manager programming are coming, probably pretty soon. Not the same thing, but Midjourney went from v.1 to v.6 in less than 2 years. If something similar happens, most jobs that could be done remotely will be automatable in a few years.

Idk, LLMs have basically stopped improving for over a year now. And in their current state no matter how many abstractions you add to them - or chain them - they are not even close capable to replace even simple jobs.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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>it's very on-par with ChatGPT 4o in terms of capability The previous 3.5 Sonnet checkpoint was already better than GPT-4o in terms of programming and multi-language capabilities. Also, GPT-4o sometimes feels completely moronic, for example, the other day I asked for fun a technical question about configuring a "dream-sync" device to comply with the "Personal Consciousness Data Protection Act", and GPT-4o just replie…

actually, that's what makes chat gpt powerful. I like an LLM willing to go along with what ever I am trying to do, because one day I might be coding, and another day I might be just trying to role play, write a book, what ever. I really cant understand what you were expecting, a tool works with how you use it, if you smack a hammer into your face, don't complain about a bloody nose. maybe dont do like that?

its a feature, not a bug, sorry you don't understand it enough to get the most power from it.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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post #374

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This has existed for a long time, it's called "RPA" or Robotic Process Automation. The biggest incumbent in this space is UiPath, but there are a host of startups and large companies alike that are tackling it. Most of the things that RPA is used for can be easily scripted, e.g. download a form from one website, open up Adobe. There are a lot of startups that are trying to build agentic versions of RPA, I'm glad to s…

Honestly, this is going to be huge for healthcare. There's an incredible amount of waste due to incumbent tech making interoperability difficult.

Hopefully.

I’ve implemented quite a few RPA apps and the struggle is the request/response turn around time for realtime transactions. For batch data extract or input, RPA is great since there’s no expectation of process duration. However, when a client requests data in realtime that can only be retrieved from an app using RPA, the response time is abysmal. Just picture it - Start the app, log into the app if it requires authentication (hope that the authentication's MFA is email based rather than token based, and then access the mailbox using an in-place configuration with MS Graph/Google Workspace/etc), navigate to the app’s view that has the data or worse, bring up a search interface since the exact data isn’t known and try and find the requested data. So brittle...

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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This is actually a huge deal. As someone building AI SaaS products, I used to have the position that directly integrating with APIs is going to get us most of the way there in terms of complete AI automation. I wanted to take at stab at this problem and started researching some daily busineses and how they use software. My brother-in-law (who is a doctor) showed me the bespoke software they use in his practice. Runni…

This has existed for a long time, it's called "RPA" or Robotic Process Automation. The biggest incumbent in this space is UiPath, but there are a host of startups and large companies alike that are tackling it. Most of the things that RPA is used for can be easily scripted, e.g. download a form from one website, open up Adobe. There are a lot of startups that are trying to build agentic versions of RPA, I'm glad to s…

RPA has been a huge pain to work with.

It's almost always a framework around existing tools like Selenium that you constantly have to fight against to get good results from. I was always left with the feeling that I could build something better myself just handrolling the scripts rather than using their frameworks.

Getting Claude integrated into the space is going to be a game changer.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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The new Sonnet tops aider's code editing leaderboard at 84.2%. Using aider's "architect" mode it sets the SOTA at 85.7% (with DeepSeek as the "editor" model).

  84% Claude 3.5 Sonnet 10/22
  80% o1-preview
  77% Claude 3.5 Sonnet 06/20
  72% DeepSeek V2.5
  72% GPT-4o 08/06
  71% o1-mini
  68% Claude 3 Opus
It also sets SOTA on aider's more demanding refactoring benchmark with a score of 92.1%!

  92% Sonnet 10/22
  75% o1-preview
  72% Opus
  64% Sonnet 06/20
  49% GPT-4o 08/06
  45% o1-mini
https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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I think this is good evidence that people's jobs are not being replaced by AI, because no AI would give the product a confusing name like "new Claude 3.5 Sonnet".

Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic are responsibly scaling their models by confusing their customers into using the wrong ones.

When AGI finally is launched, adoption will be responsibly slowed because it is called something like "new new Gemini Giga 12.9.2xo IT" and users will have to select it from dozens of similar names.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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post #357
post #344

This is actually a huge deal. As someone building AI SaaS products, I used to have the position that directly integrating with APIs is going to get us most of the way there in terms of complete AI automation. I wanted to take at stab at this problem and started researching some daily busineses and how they use software. My brother-in-law (who is a doctor) showed me the bespoke software they use in his practice. Runni…

Basically, if it means companies can introduce automation without changing anything about the tooling/workflow/programs they already use, it's going to be MASSIVE. Just and install and a prompt and you've already automated a lengthy manual process - awesome.

Companies are going to install an AI inside their own proprietary systems full of proprietary and confidential data and PII about their customers and prospects and whatnot, and let it run around and click on random buttons and submit random forms?

Really??!? What could possibly go wrong.

I'm currently trying to do a large ORC project using Google Vision API, and then Gemini 1.5 Pro 002 to parse and reconstruct the results (taking advantage, one hopes, of its big context window). As I'm not familiar with Google Vision API I asked Gemini to guide me in setting it up.

Gemini is the latest Google model; Vision, as the name implies, is also from Google. Yet Gemini makes several egregious mistakes about Vision, gets names of fields or options wrong, etc.

Gemini 1.5 "Pro" also suggests that concatenating two json strings produces a valid json string; when told that's unlikely, it's very sorry and makes lots of apologies, but still it made the mistake in the first place.

LLMs can be useful when used with caution; letting one loose in an enterprise environment doesn't feel safe, or sane.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has existed for a long time, it's called "RPA" or Robotic Process Automation. The biggest incumbent in this space is UiPath, but there are a host of startups and large companies alike that are tackling it. Most of the things that RPA is used for can be easily scripted, e.g. download a form from one website, open up Adobe. There are a lot of startups that are trying to build agentic versions of RPA, I'm glad to s…

Honestly, this is going to be huge for healthcare. There's an incredible amount of waste due to incumbent tech making interoperability difficult.

We’ll see. Having worked in this space in the past, the technical challenges are able to overcome today with no new technology: its a business sales and regulation challenge more than a tech one.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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This looks quite fantastic! Nice improvements in scores across the board, e.g. > On coding, it [the new Sonnet 3.5] improves performance on SWE-bench Verified from 33.4% to 49.0%, scoring higher than all publicly available models—including reasoning models like OpenAI o1-preview and specialized systems designed for agentic coding. I've been using Sonnet 3.5 for most of my AI-assisted coding and I'm already very happy…

I'm waiting for Aider benchmark

It's out, and improved!

It went from 77.4% to 84.2%, skipping past O1-preview which is at 79.7%

Source: https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/

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