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Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by astrange »

skissane wrote: post #350
LASR wrote: post #344

This is actually a huge deal. As someone building AI SaaS products, I used to have the position that directly integrating with APIs is going to get us most of the way there in terms of complete AI automation. I wanted to take at stab at this problem and started researching some daily busineses and how they use software. My brother-in-law (who is a doctor) showed me the bespoke software they use in his practice. Runni…

You don’t know for a fact that those two specific packages don’t have supported APIs. Just because the user doesn’t know of any API doesn’t mean none exists. The average accountant or doctor is never going to even ask the vendor “is there an API” because they wouldn’t know what to do with one if there was.

If they're accessible to screen readers they have one. Accessibility is API for apps in disguise.

In this case I doubt they're networked apps so they probably don't have a server API.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by TeMPOraL »

LASR wrote: post #344

This is actually a huge deal. As someone building AI SaaS products, I used to have the position that directly integrating with APIs is going to get us most of the way there in terms of complete AI automation. I wanted to take at stab at this problem and started researching some daily busineses and how they use software. My brother-in-law (who is a doctor) showed me the bespoke software they use in his practice. Runni…

> Being in the SaaS space makes you believe that everyone ought to have client-server backend APIs etc.

FWIW, looking at it from end-user perspective, it ain't much different than the Windows apps. APIs are not interoperability - they tend to be tightly-controlled channels, access gated by the vendor and provided through contracts.

In a way, it's easier to make an API to a legacy native desktop app than it is to a typical SaaS[0] - the native app gets updated infrequently, and isn't running in an obstinate sandbox. The older the app, the better - it's more likely to rely on OS APIs and practices, designed with collaboration and accessibility in mind. E.g. in Windows land, in many cases you don't need OCR and mouse emulation - you just need to enumerate the window handles, walk the tree structure looking for text or IDs you care about, and send targeted messages to those components.

Unfortunately, desktop apps are headed the same direction web apps are (increasingly often, they are web apps in disguise), so I agree that AI-level RPA is a huge deal.

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[0] - This is changing a bit in that frameworks seem to be getting complex enough that SaaS vendors often have no clue as to what kind of access they're leaving open to people who know how to press F12 in their browsers and how to call cURL. I'm not talking bespoke APIs backend team wrote, but standard ones built into middleware, that fell beyond dev team's "abstraction horizon". GraphQL is a notable example.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by nopinsight »

runako wrote: post #383
nopinsight wrote: post #339

This needs more discussion: Claude using Claude on a computer for coding https://youtu.be/vH2f7cjXjKI?si=Tw7rBPGsavzb-LNo (3 mins) True end-user programming and product manager programming are coming, probably pretty soon. Not the same thing, but Midjourney went from v.1 to v.6 in less than 2 years. If something similar happens, most jobs that could be done remotely will be automatable in a few years.

> True end-user programming and product manager programming are coming This means that either product managers will have to start (effectively) writing in-depth specs again, or they will have to learn to accept the LLM's ideas in a way that most have not accepted their human programmers' ideas. Definitely will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Since automated coding systems can revise code and show the results much quicker than most human engineers can, writing detailed specs could be less necessary.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by ldjkfkdsjnv »

pants2 wrote: post #357
LASR wrote: post #344

This is actually a huge deal. As someone building AI SaaS products, I used to have the position that directly integrating with APIs is going to get us most of the way there in terms of complete AI automation. I wanted to take at stab at this problem and started researching some daily busineses and how they use software. My brother-in-law (who is a doctor) showed me the bespoke software they use in his practice. Runni…

Basically, if it means companies can introduce automation without changing anything about the tooling/workflow/programs they already use, it's going to be MASSIVE. Just and install and a prompt and you've already automated a lengthy manual process - awesome.

Yeah this will be a true paradigm shift

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by lutusp »

> "... and similar speed to the previous generation of Haiku."

To me this is the most annoying grammatical error. I can't wait for AI to take over all prose writing so this egregious construction finally vanishes from public fora. There may be some downsides -- okay, many -- but at least I won't have to read endless repetitions of "similar speed to ..." when the correct form is obviously "speed similar to".

In fact, in time this correct grammar may betray the presence of AI, since lowly biologicals (meaning us) appear not to either understand or fix this annoying error without computer help.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by dheerkt »

smcleod wrote: post #396

I wonder when it'll actually be available in the Bedrock AU region, because as of right now we're still stuck using mid-range models from a year ago. Amazon has really neglected ap-southeast-2 when it comes to LLMs.

Can you not use cross-region inference?

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by smcleod »

dheerkt wrote: post #397
smcleod wrote: post #396

I wonder when it'll actually be available in the Bedrock AU region, because as of right now we're still stuck using mid-range models from a year ago. Amazon has really neglected ap-southeast-2 when it comes to LLMs.

Can you not use cross-region inference?

90% of our customers do not allow this due to data sovereignty.

Bedrock here is lagging so far behind several customers assume AWS simply aren't investing here anymore - or if they are it's an afterthought - and a very expensive one at that.

I've spoken with several account managers and SAs and they seem similarly frustrated with the continual response from above that useful models are "coming soon".

You can't even BYO models here, we usually end up spinning up big ol' GPU EC2 instances and serving our own, or for some tasks running locally as you can get better openweight LLMs.

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by mrmansano »

trzy wrote: post #279

Pretty cool! I use Claude 3.5 to control a robot (ARKit/iOS based) and it does surprisingly well in the real world: https://youtu.be/-iW3Vzzr3oU?si=yzu2SawugXMGKlW9

That looks pretty cool, congrats! How feasible is it to be a product by itself? Did you try with a local edge model?

Re: Computer use, a new Claude 3.5 Sonnet, and Claude 3.5 Haiku

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Post by rafaelmn »

famouswaffles wrote: post #117
cube2222 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a recent article[0] trending on HN a about their revenue numbers, split by B2C vs B2B. Based on it, it seems like Anthropic is 60% of OpenAI API-revenue wise, but just 4% B2C-revenue wise. Though I expect this is partly because the Claude web UI makes 3.5 available for free, and there's not that much reason to upgrade if you're not using it frequently. [0]: https://www.tanayj.com/p/openai-and-anthropic-reve…

3.5 is rate limited free, same as 4o (4o's limits are actually more generous). I think the real reason is much simpler - Claude/Anthropic has basically no awareness in the general public compared to Open AI. The chatGPT site had over 3B visits last month (#11 in Worldwide Traffic). Gemini and Character AI get a few hundred million but Claude doesn't even register in comparison. [0] Last they reported, OpenAI said the…

I basically have to tell most of my coworkers to stop using GPT and switch to Claude for coding - Sonnet 3.5 is the first model that I feel isn't wasting my time.
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