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Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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This has been implemented in a totally boneheaded fashion with the forced update and onerous privacy policy, but it's not necessarily a bad concept. Router interfaces are clunky, inconsistent, and not very user-friendly, but they're hard to improve because they're quite constrained by the limited resources on the router and the difficulty of pushing out firmware updates. If the UI were in the cloud it would be easier to provide a really nice experience and start offering new features.

For instance, Marshini Chetty, a researcher at Georgia Tech, has been working on a project called Kermit[1] to provide increased visibility into home networks, mainly to provide QoS (e.g. you can determine your teenager is hogging the bandwidth with video streaming and throttle him back). However their system generates a lot of data, too much to process on the router itself, so IIRC they schlep it over to a PC running on the network. If this were coupled with a cloud service, you wouldn't need to keep a PC running all the time. I'm not sure how much of a market there really is for this, though in a presentation she said they had done a study where they put these in average people's homes and received a positive reception.

On a different note, I find the outrage about this (both here on HN and elsewhere) somewhat ironic because the privacy policy isn't that different from the privacy policies people put up with everyday with other cloud services they use. I think it's just when it's put in contrast with the status quo of routers (not in the cloud and with good privacy guarantees) that people find it outrageous. This is not a comparison people make with other cloud services; perhaps they should.

[1] http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~marshini/kermit.html

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #21

This has been implemented in a totally boneheaded fashion with the forced update and onerous privacy policy, but it's not necessarily a bad concept. Router interfaces are clunky, inconsistent, and not very user-friendly, but they're hard to improve because they're quite constrained by the limited resources on the router and the difficulty of pushing out firmware updates. If the UI were in the cloud it would be easier…

A router is not a 'cloud service'. I give specific information to a cloud service to do with as it sees fit; I give my router literally everything I do on the Internet.

Somewhat of a difference there.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #22
post #21

This has been implemented in a totally boneheaded fashion with the forced update and onerous privacy policy, but it's not necessarily a bad concept. Router interfaces are clunky, inconsistent, and not very user-friendly, but they're hard to improve because they're quite constrained by the limited resources on the router and the difficulty of pushing out firmware updates. If the UI were in the cloud it would be easier…

A router is not a 'cloud service'. I give specific information to a cloud service to do with as it sees fit; I give my router literally everything I do on the Internet. Somewhat of a difference there.

Gmail is a very popular cloud service, and email contains almost everything you do.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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This is hilarious, and exactly what you get when there is no forethought to product longevity. What if in 10 years the economy is still shit, the cloud is unfeasible, and the WRT54g from 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series is still working? Just about as bad as Diablo 3.

Cisco is scared, because for most people there is not a need to upgrade your router every 2-4 years. Router oses generally suck less than windows. Internet is not even >25mbit/sec in most places in the USA.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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>"The Terms and Conditions of using the Cisco Connect Cloud state that Cisco may unilaterally shut down your account if finds that you have used the service for “obscene, pornographic, or offensive purposes, to infringe another’s rights, including but not limited to any intellectual property rights, or… to violate, or encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.”"

So let me get this straight, Cisco feels that they have the right to shut off your Internet connectivity IF:

1) They don't like what you say.

2) You watch porn. (Or anything they consider pornographic, which may not agree with your definition of pornographic; see corporate Internet filters.)

Well, that just proves to me that they have no idea what the hell they're doing, and have just permanently lost me as a customer.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #23
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A router is not a 'cloud service'. I give specific information to a cloud service to do with as it sees fit; I give my router literally everything I do on the Internet. Somewhat of a difference there.

Gmail is a very popular cloud service, and email contains almost everything you do.

It does? Last I checked my gmail was full of letters to/from my mom and spam. Hardly "everything I do" on the Internet. I also willingly signed up for gmail because, you know, it offers a service that is useful for me. Hard to make that argument here.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gmail is a very popular cloud service, and email contains almost everything you do.

It does? Last I checked my gmail was full of letters to/from my mom and spam. Hardly "everything I do" on the Internet. I also willingly signed up for gmail because, you know, it offers a service that is useful for me. Hard to make that argument here.

I tried to make the argument that a cloud router (though not this one) could provide a useful service. I guess people don't agree, hence the downvotes.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #24

This is hilarious, and exactly what you get when there is no forethought to product longevity. What if in 10 years the economy is still shit, the cloud is unfeasible, and the WRT54g from 2002 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series is still working? Just about as bad as Diablo 3. Cisco is scared, because for most people there is not a need to upgrade your router every 2-4 years. Router oses generally suck…

My WRT54G is still going strong. I run the `tomato` firmware on it, and haven't had to mess with the configuration in years. If only the rest of my hardware could be as reliable.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

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post #21

This has been implemented in a totally boneheaded fashion with the forced update and onerous privacy policy, but it's not necessarily a bad concept. Router interfaces are clunky, inconsistent, and not very user-friendly, but they're hard to improve because they're quite constrained by the limited resources on the router and the difficulty of pushing out firmware updates. If the UI were in the cloud it would be easier…

Meraki is an example of how this can be done right; their UI looks far beyond any other router.

Re: Cisco’s cloud vision: Mandatory, monetized, and killed at their discretion

#30
Looks like Apple really opened Pandora's box with the advent of their closed app ecosystem. I think we're going to find "App Stores" popping up at every level of the network stack at this pace (as to why you'd need one over your wifi router firmware is anyone's guess though)
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