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Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

seper8 wrote: post #15

Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again, if only it wasn't for the witless bureaucrats in charge. The only thing we seem to be innovative at is coming up with ridiculous amounts of useless regulation.

>Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again

How? That's like a dad telling his son "you can achieve anything you want" when the reality is he's already capped his max achievement potential with his barista job while still dreaming he's gonna make it big in Hollywood.

You're not gonna see an Italian/European flag on the moon anytime soon just because they did cool stuff in the past. A country is not some tiny ship you can turn around at a whim and become a US/Switzerland powerhouse overnight via some magic algorithm that the people in power were too stupid to see, the inertia of the status quo of a nation is insanely large. So the bureaucrats in charge aren't the only reason Italy and the EU is falling behind the US at the economy and innovations.

Also, speaking of the devil, those bureaucrats in charge are elected by the people and therefore a direct reflection of the population they serve, they're not some strange creatures shoehorned by aliens to rules us poorly, they're cut form the same cloth and are only doing what will get people to keep voting for them.

So if people vote trash candidates to power why are they surprised they get trash results? Stop rewarding bad behavior, and vote for someone else better. Now if all your candidates are trash, what does that say about the population and the culture as a whole? In this case do you think there's some redemption waiting around the corner for them for a spectacular turn-around or is simply the entire population as a collective at fault as well for their current situation?

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by Brett_Riverboat »

sunaookami wrote: post #73
Brett_Riverboat wrote: post #61

Google is nothing but blinded by greed at this point, they are so shortsightedly chasing a dollar that they can't seem to recognize this behavior is exactly what is losing the money. They are inconveniencing paying customers to combat pirates who don't care and will only double down on their efforts and incidentally expose all of this for the brain dead blunder that it is.

You might want to re-read the article. This has nothing to do with Google, it's Italy to blame.

Shame on me, Its so easy to assume google did another stupid thing that I just skimmed it and made an assumption. My bad.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

worstspotgain wrote: post #68
simonh wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Justifying oppression through manufactured foreign threats. Still works just as well as it ever has.

Not to mention generating exodi from Venezuela and Syria just so that your puppet candidates in the US and the EU can rally against the "invasion" of refugees.

Letting in a large amount of people to enter a country without the necessary visas, technically is an invasion. Otherwise what's the point of country borders and border enforcement? If strangers could come and go in your house as they please without your permission, that's illegal as well and you'd call the police.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by lupusreal »

Y-bar wrote: post #80
lupusreal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I buy that. But the guys tasked with responding to that hostage crisis couldn't go back in time and fix Russia's [domestic] policy. They had to deal with the situation they were given.

Both the military "Alpha Group" and "Vympel" were active combatants in both the first and second Chechen wars, they are branches of FSB, which were indeed responsible for the Russian presence in Chechnya since 2001. Point being, the persons in charge of the the gas and raid in the theatre were also the guys in charge of tactics used in Chechnya.

That may be the case, but nevertheless when they were dealt with the hostage crisis, going back in time and correcting the policy decisions which precipitated it was not among their list of options.

(And were the commanders on the ground that week actually in decision making positions during the Chechen conflict? 'Following orders' doesn't excuse their participation, but it seems unlikely they personally were ever in a position to stop the conflict.)

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by jampekka »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #79
sunaookami wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people critizing it get labeled as a right-wing nut or similar. Currently happens in Germany because a "trusted flagger" organization (whose job is to delete so called "hatespeech") is being criticized by being directly funded by the state and the media is shielding it and deflecting criticism on behalf of the government.

>a "trusted flagger" organization (whose job is to delete so called "hatespeech") is being criticized by being directly funded by the state and the media What's the name of that org?

There are multiple "accredited organizations". Most seem to be copyright trolls that now get a semi-official status in law enforcement.

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/trusted-fl...

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jampekka wrote: post #85
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>a "trusted flagger" organization (whose job is to delete so called "hatespeech") is being criticized by being directly funded by the state and the media What's the name of that org?

There are multiple "accredited organizations". Most seem to be copyright trolls that now get a semi-official status in law enforcement. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/trusted-fl...

Jesus. The biggest issue I see is who keeps these so called "trusted flaggers" in check? What accountability mechanism exists for them?

What prevents people working at those trusted flaggers from abusing the org's position and just banning stuff they don't personally like or for malicious actors to infiltrate the orgs to ban stuff? Kind of like a rogue Reddit/Discord mod on steroids. Since people who actively seek out power, are exactly the ones who shouldn't have it, according to Plato.

As all these orgs aren't elected like our politicians that we can change through votes yet they seem to have gotten the keys to online speech.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by globular-toast »

inopinatus wrote: post #74
globular-toast wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a good analogy because the people being pickpocketed and the people on the trams are the same people. A better analogy is blocking the tram line because it interferes with some guy's antiquated business model.

That is not an useful analogy, because as far as government is concerned, you just made an argument in favour.

Well, yes, but whether the government should be propping up antiquated business models is the question. The government needs to work for the people, not the oligarchs. There might very well be an argument that government should "stop the tram" because it's interfering with another business that is good for the people. But copyright has long been for the oligarchs, not the people.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by lifestyleguru »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #77
lifestyleguru wrote: post #60

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I love how the largest IT innovation coming from Italy is internet gambling and sports betting. It's a lost case, let the payday loan predators and mafia rule their digital infrastructure as an anti example for everyone else.

>let the payday loan predators and mafia rule their digital infrastructure as an anti example for everyone else Why would you assume it would be an anti-example for everyone else? If other see this works in Italy with no backlash what's gonna stop them implementing it in other places?

Italy might be indeed the pilot project in implementing the vision of Idiocracy. Looking at popularity of lotteries and sport betting in other countries like e.g. Spain or Poland, I'm not joking at all.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by lifestyleguru »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #81
seper8 wrote: post #15

Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again, if only it wasn't for the witless bureaucrats in charge. The only thing we seem to be innovative at is coming up with ridiculous amounts of useless regulation.

>Italy (and many other European countries) could be great and wealthy countries once again How? That's like a dad telling his son "you can achieve anything you want" when the reality is he's already capped his max achievement potential with his barista job while still dreaming he's gonna make it big in Hollywood. You're not gonna see an Italian/European flag on the moon anytime soon just because they did cool stuff i…

I might getting old but I don't believe in the "hidden greatness" or the "past greatness". We have the best what we can get. What we have is the outcome of very educated and well financially rewarded people. Italian elites? The oldest universities in Europe, most venerable families, biggest fortunes on the continent... and this is their outcome.
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