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Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by freedomben »

421ewafsrewfad wrote: post #62
_factor wrote: post #20

This is how we get to big brother 1984 status. Slowly and gradually in the name of public safety. First you limit information deemed “harmful”, next you make it illegal, then you use your powers to make your own rules. With the corporate control structure, it looks like we’re heading more towards Neuromancer or Brave New World than 1984. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Your comment is hyperbolic. I don't think we're sliding into 1984, and saying we are became cliche at least a few years ago. This isn't information being limited in the name of some shadowy "public safety" to dumb down the proles, it's limiting access to free entertainment to protect shareholder's profits with a shitty implementation (see: capitalism). Big brother would be very happy if the proles did nothing but wat…

You're not necessarily wrong, but GP did say "slowly and gradually" and "in the name of public safety." They weren't saying we're there now, or that this step is equivalent to big brother.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by lupusreal »

Y-bar wrote: post #63
lupusreal wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.

There is a pretty convincing argument made that a less violent foreign policy would have made the terrorist act significantly less likely to happen in the first place. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Dagestan_(1999) and the following bombing of Chechnya.

Sure, I buy that. But the guys tasked with responding to that hostage crisis couldn't go back in time and fix Russia's [domestic] policy. They had to deal with the situation they were given.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by sunaookami »

Brett_Riverboat wrote: post #61

Google is nothing but blinded by greed at this point, they are so shortsightedly chasing a dollar that they can't seem to recognize this behavior is exactly what is losing the money. They are inconveniencing paying customers to combat pirates who don't care and will only double down on their efforts and incidentally expose all of this for the brain dead blunder that it is.

You might want to re-read the article. This has nothing to do with Google, it's Italy to blame.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by inopinatus »

globular-toast wrote: post #31
y0ned4 wrote: post #12

You don't block an entire tram line just because there are pickpockets on board some trams The "solutions" implemented here in Italy are not solutions, but abominations imho

This isn't a good analogy because the people being pickpocketed and the people on the trams are the same people. A better analogy is blocking the tram line because it interferes with some guy's antiquated business model.

That is not an useful analogy, because as far as government is concerned, you just made an argument in favour.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by MiguelX413 »

Y-bar wrote: post #63
lupusreal wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.

There is a pretty convincing argument made that a less violent foreign policy would have made the terrorist act significantly less likely to happen in the first place. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Dagestan_(1999) and the following bombing of Chechnya.

It's less work for sharers of links to remove m. from their URLs than it is for everyone on a desktop to do so.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by amy-petrik-214 »

lupusreal wrote: post #45
stavros wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the fuck

It was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.

It was not a terrible approach, the use of "poison gas" is a bit of a misnomer. They weren't dousing the theatre with chlorine and melting everyone's lungs for example. It was not deadly poison gas, it was "get high" poison gas. That unintentionally made some people get so high that they died in a state of euphoric bliss.

The gas, high speculated but nobody 100% sure, is thought to be basically super-fentanyl. Fentanyl itself is like hyper powerful heroin, and this stuff was hyper powerful fentanyl. But not fatal per se, certainly intended not.

So all this hubbub about the theatre gas isn't so bad. Per capita if you just walk down the sidewalk in San Francisco's Tenderloin district, you would be exposed to more fentanyl fumes than you would have in that theatre. In the tenderloin residents talk wistfully of the the theatre gassing with superfentanyl, wishing they could have partaken in that bliss. If they had taken a good dozen people off the tenderloin and sent them to the theatre they easily would have smoked it up with between 100 and 1000x times the concentration of opioid fumes.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #60
0x_rs wrote: post #49

"Piracy Shield" is an unmitigated disaster, a terrible idea everyone knew would be useless and harmful, but Serie A bribes make up for it. The next step has already been announced, going after VPNs. Yeah, you read that right, because of a stupid football league there's attempts undergoing to block commercial VPNs and managers instigating against them without even knowing what they are. Italy is diving into the Intern…

I love how the largest IT innovation coming from Italy is internet gambling and sports betting. It's a lost case, let the payday loan predators and mafia rule their digital infrastructure as an anti example for everyone else.

>let the payday loan predators and mafia rule their digital infrastructure as an anti example for everyone else

Why would you assume it would be an anti-example for everyone else? If other see this works in Italy with no backlash what's gonna stop them implementing it in other places?

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

yupyupyups wrote: post #39

>Italy has an administrative blocking mechanism and a technical blocking platform, Piracy Shield, operated by rightsholders in the private sector. >There’s almost zero transparency and any information of any use is routinely withheld from the public, even when that information relates directly to the public. People who demand access to information are routinely ignored, even punished. Imagine selling out your country…

>Imagine selling out your country this bad.

Selling out your country is literally the default modus operandi in most places on the planet. In fact, not selling your country, like the Nordics for example, is the rare exception to the rule.

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

sunaookami wrote: post #57
jampekka wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's been surprisingly little discussion about the DSA. The brussels corporate lobbyists really earned their salaries with that one.

Because people critizing it get labeled as a right-wing nut or similar. Currently happens in Germany because a "trusted flagger" organization (whose job is to delete so called "hatespeech") is being criticized by being directly funded by the state and the media is shielding it and deflecting criticism on behalf of the government.

>a "trusted flagger" organization (whose job is to delete so called "hatespeech") is being criticized by being directly funded by the state and the media

What's the name of that org?

Re: Google Drive Blackout in Italy After Another Major Anti-Piracy Blunder

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Post by Y-bar »

lupusreal wrote: post #72
Y-bar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a pretty convincing argument made that a less violent foreign policy would have made the terrorist act significantly less likely to happen in the first place. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Dagestan_(1999) and the following bombing of Chechnya.

Sure, I buy that. But the guys tasked with responding to that hostage crisis couldn't go back in time and fix Russia's [domestic] policy. They had to deal with the situation they were given.

Both the military "Alpha Group" and "Vympel" were active combatants in both the first and second Chechen wars, they are branches of FSB, which were indeed responsible for the Russian presence in Chechnya since 2001.

Point being, the persons in charge of the the gas and raid in the theatre were also the guys in charge of tactics used in Chechnya.

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