Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations

Post by atum47 » Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 5:51 PM UTC

skhunted wrote: post #491

I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…

Post by carapace » Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 5:53 PM UTC

rileymat2 wrote: post #345

It may be time to step back and ask "Why do students cheat?" I think the answer is "The Stakes" of getting a poor "grade" that follows you in and ranks you. Eliminate that, and tests become a valuable self assessment of where a student is. Teaches become partners in growth, not adversaries that can cause long term harm with a black mark.

Post by BeetleB » Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 5:54 PM UTC

lumost wrote: post #611

skhunted wrote: post #491

I’ve been teaching in higher education for 30 years and am soon retiring. I teach math. In every math course there is massive amounts of cheating on everything that is graded that is not proctored in a classroom setting. Locking down browsers and whatnot does not prevent cheating. The only solution is to require face-to-face proctored exams and not allow students to use technology of any kind while taking the test. B…

My personal take, we’ve made the cost of failure to high and cheating too easy. As a student, the only thing the next institution will see is GPA, school, major. Roughly in that order. If the cost of not getting an A is exclusion from future opportunities- then students will reject exclusion by taking easier classes or cheating. As someone who studied physics and came out with a 2.7 GPA due to studying what I wanted…

Post by withinboredom » Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 5:56 PM UTC

Syonyk wrote: post #709

pj_mukh wrote: post #669

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Serious question from someone who is regularly tasked with hiring Juniors. What IS a good assessment for entry-level/right out of college positions? -> GPA can be gamed, as laid out. -> Take Home assessments can mostly be gamed, I want to assess how you think, now which tools you use. -> Personality tests favor the outgoing/extroverts -> On-location tests/leet code are a crapshoot. What should be best practice here?…

It's hard, and interviewing is better suited to answering "nope, not you!" questions than "yes, you'll be a good fit." Onsite interviews with a range of approaches seem to be the best I've found over the years. As much as it pains me, things like fizzbuzz are still useful, because people still lie about their ability to program in languages. If you claim to know C very well and can't knock that out in 5 minutes, and…

    #include 

    int main() {
        unsigned int x = 0x01020304;
        unsigned char *c = (unsigned char*)&x;

        printf("First byte of x: 0x%02x\n", *c);
        return 0;
    }

Post by TeaBrain » Mon, Oct 21, 2024, 5:58 PM UTC

ta1243 wrote: post #612

junaru wrote: post #351

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It even came with handwriting built in as authentication mechanism! AI detectors hate this secret! On a more serious note - US removed cursive from their curriculum almost two decades ago - something i cant wrap my head around as cursive is something the rest of the world(?) uses starting in middle school and onwards through the whole adult life.

Sorry but nobody uses "cursive" writing. People barely write once they leave education - they type. When they do write it's legible separate characters or it's unreadable scrawl.