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It was the tail end of when smart women had few intellectually stimulating options and teacher was a decent choice.
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It appears you think that giving women the same opportunities as men is a bad thing.
Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
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Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#232It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject. AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance. I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with ha…
An essay written under examination conditions is fine. We don’t need new assessment techniques. We have known how to asses that a student and that student alone for centuries.
Yeah we always did that in high school for essays that were actually graded, otherwise there's always the option of having someone else write it for you, human or now machine. The only thing that's changed is the convenience of it.
The problem is more with teachers lazily slapping an essay on a topic as a goto homework to eat even more of the already limited students' time with busywork.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#233For a human who deals with student work or reads job applications spotting AI generated work quickly becomes trivially easy. Text seems to use the same general framework (although words are swapped around) also we see what I call 'word of the week' where whichever 'AI' engine seems to get hung up on a particular English word which is often an unusual one and uses it at every opportunity. It isn't long before you real…
> also we see what I call 'word of the week' where whichever 'AI' engine seems to get hung up on a particular English word which is often an unusual one and uses it at every opportunity So do humans. Many people have pet phrases or words that they use unusually often compared to others.
No cap.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#234I'm surprised at the number of comments that give up and say that "AI" is here to stay. I'm also surprised that academics rely on snake oil software to deal with the issue. Instead, academics should unite and push for outlawing "AI" or make it difficult to get like cigarettes. Sometimes politicians still listen to academics. It is probably not going to happen though since the level of political apathy among academics…
I can't think of a single time that we've ever willingly put down a technology that a single person could deploy and appear to be highly productive. You may as well try to ban fire.
Looking at some of the most successful historical pushbacks against technology, taxes and compensation for displaced workers is about as much as we can expect.
Even trying to put restrictions on AI is going to be very practically challenging. But I think the most basic of restrictions like mandating watermarks or tracing material of some kind in it might be possible and really that might do a lot to mitigate the worst problems.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#235It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject. AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance. I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with ha…
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Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#236For a human who deals with student work or reads job applications spotting AI generated work quickly becomes trivially easy. Text seems to use the same general framework (although words are swapped around) also we see what I call 'word of the week' where whichever 'AI' engine seems to get hung up on a particular English word which is often an unusual one and uses it at every opportunity. It isn't long before you real…
the students are too lazy and dumb to do their own thinking and resort to ai. the teachers are also too lazy and dumb to assess the students' work and resort to ai. ain't it funny?
I suppose we all get from school what we put into it.
I forgot the name of the guy, who said it, but he was some big philosophy lecturer at Harvard and his view on the matter ( heavy reading course and one student left a course review - "not reading assigned reading did not hurt me at all") was ( paraphrased):
"This guy is an idiot if he thinks the point of paying $60k a semester of parents money is to sit here and learn nothing.'
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#237For a human who deals with student work or reads job applications spotting AI generated work quickly becomes trivially easy. Text seems to use the same general framework (although words are swapped around) also we see what I call 'word of the week' where whichever 'AI' engine seems to get hung up on a particular English word which is often an unusual one and uses it at every opportunity. It isn't long before you real…
the students are too lazy and dumb to do their own thinking and resort to ai. the teachers are also too lazy and dumb to assess the students' work and resort to ai. ain't it funny?
It's a race to the bottom, though. Why should the humans waste their time reading through AI-generated slop that took 11ms to generate, when it can take an hour or more to manually review it?
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
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That’s not even remotely true. You can raise it with the local board of education. You can sue the board and/or the school. You can sue the university, and likely even win. They literally are not the law, and that is why you can take them to court.
What a moronic thing to say. Police aren't the law because they have been sued?
Police enforce the law. We aren’t discussing police; we are discussing universities. Some have their own police departments, but even those are beholden to the law, which is not the university’s to define.
Your police argument is a strawman.
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#239It is no longer effective to solely use a written essay to measure how deeply a student comprehends a subject. AI is here to stay; new methods should be used to assess student performance. I remember being told at school, that we weren't allowed to use calculators in exams. The line provided by teachers was that we could never rely on having a calculator when we need it most—obviously there's irony associated with ha…
The best method for assessing performance when learning is as old as the world: assess the effort, not how well the result complies with some requirements. If the level of effort made is high, but the outcome does not comply in some way, praise is due. If the outcome complies, but the level of effort is low, there is no reason for praise (what are you praising? mere compliance?) and you must have set a wrong bar. Not…
Little Johnny who tried really hard but still can barely write a for loop doesn't deserve a place in a comp sci course ahead of little Timmy who for some reason thinks in computer code. Timmy might be a lazy arse but he's good at what he does and for minimal effort the outcomes are amazing. Johnny unfortunately just doesn't get it. He's wanted to be a programmer ever since he saw the movie Hackers but his brain just doesn't work that way. How to evaluate this situation? Ability or effort?
Re: Do AI detectors work? Students face false cheating accusations
#240Turns out we spent way too long thinking about how machines could beat the Turing test, and not long enough thinking about how we could built better Turing tests.