If the US had the same IPv4 scarcity as the rest of the world (specifically, if major US ISPs were using CGNAT), the IPv6 transition would be happening much faster.
The IPv6 Transition
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Re: The IPv6 Transition
#102I've mentioned this previously. Without government-mandated standards, implementation could take years. We apply this approach to numerous areas; why should IP be an exception?
A world of being told what to do was not the "dream" of freedom for the internet. If you want the government to mandate standards, vote with your feet and move to China where it has been mandated. I thought the point of the article is that perhaps IPv6 is ultimately unnecessary: worse is better? Why are we engineers so attracted to authoritarianism? The idea of just telling everyone to use the new version seems attra…
Pick up the benefits of ending IPv4 development sooner.
One less thing to ship with every bit of network software.
One less learning outcome taught in every networking course.
One less piece of organisational complexity in every ISP.
Fewer rent seekers in the IP address space.
But these benefits are network effects and we only achieve them once IPv4 is relegated to the archaics of the internet tech stack.
Re: The IPv6 Transition
#103Fiber providers here are incapable of providing IPv6.
Frontier, Optyx, Sumo, Evolution, Intellipop, Starlight, Legacy, Yandoo, Voonami, Infinity all serve this area. Zero have IPv6.
Re: The IPv6 Transition
#104Fiber providers here are incapable of providing IPv6. Frontier, Optyx, Sumo, Evolution, Intellipop, Starlight, Legacy, Yandoo, Voonami, Infinity all serve this area. Zero have IPv6.
Should probably clarify the location of ‘here’
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#105I have fully implemented IPv6 in my home network. I have even implemented an IPv6-Only network. It fully works, including accessing IPv4 only websites like github.com via DNS64 and NAT64 at my router. The only practically useful thing about my IPv6 enabled network is that I can run globally routable services on my lan, without NAT port mapping. Of course, only if the client is also IPv6. Other than this one use case,…
I recently moved to a 'cheap' ISP because I could get double the speed for half the price. They use CG-NAT and it's been awful.
I don't need to forward any ports but seemingly because I share an IP with a billion people I get Captchas everywhere (Google, Cloudflare etc.). I was even blocked from accessing Reddit without an account at some point.
Re: The IPv6 Transition
#106One of my biggest issue is: how do you even detect exfil when ICMP is mandatory in IPv6 for the other protocols to even just work?
IPv6 looks so Rube-Goldbergy to my eyes that if I squint just a little tiny bit and put a very thin thinfoil hat on, I could nearly swear this complexity is there by design. For example so backdoors allowing exfil through ICMP are impossible to detect.
IPv6 is chatty. So chatty.
There are networks where a single unaccounted for packet means something abnormal is going on (and at the very least requires enquiry): how does that work with IPv6?
An issue with these big design-by-committee thinggies is that often one or two in the committees are little rats working for the man.
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#107Fiber providers here are incapable of providing IPv6. Frontier, Optyx, Sumo, Evolution, Intellipop, Starlight, Legacy, Yandoo, Voonami, Infinity all serve this area. Zero have IPv6.
Should probably clarify the location of ‘here’
Does that change the point of the discussion? Because all of those ISPs are in multiple markets.
The point being that ISPs remain a primary stall-point of IPv6 adoption. There is eagerness to hand-wave that away - and that is part of the reason IPv6 stays underdeployed.
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#108I have fully implemented IPv6 in my home network. I have even implemented an IPv6-Only network. It fully works, including accessing IPv4 only websites like github.com via DNS64 and NAT64 at my router. The only practically useful thing about my IPv6 enabled network is that I can run globally routable services on my lan, without NAT port mapping. Of course, only if the client is also IPv6. Other than this one use case,…
Well there are serious network effects at play.IPv6 would be a lot more valuable if it was more broadly deployed.
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#109My ISP is only couple years old. And yet, surprisingly to me, they don't support IPv6, only ipv4.
Re: The IPv6 Transition
#110I have fully implemented IPv6 in my home network. I have even implemented an IPv6-Only network. It fully works, including accessing IPv4 only websites like github.com via DNS64 and NAT64 at my router. The only practically useful thing about my IPv6 enabled network is that I can run globally routable services on my lan, without NAT port mapping. Of course, only if the client is also IPv6. Other than this one use case,…
Well there are serious network effects at play.IPv6 would be a lot more valuable if it was more broadly deployed.
What do you see as the key points that create a lot more value?