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Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by deepl_derber »

tomcam wrote: post #130

I read it all the way through once, but may have a missed something. Am I to understand that because he has (extremely) objectionable private views that he should be booted out of the organization he started? It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions? If that’s the case, I’m completely against ejecting him simply because he publishes nasty thoughts. I say this as a guy wh…

> It seems like there is no evidence of untoward behavior, just a bunch of gross opinions?

I don't think you actually read it then, because a significant portion of it is about his untoward behavior (as a boss, to random women at conferences, as a Voting Member, etc.)

> But the FSF is an American organization, and in America we have something close to free speech.

Free speech has absolutely nothing to do with this (as you note, the foundation has every right to get rid of him because of his abhorrent views). You don't generally want advocates for child sex abuse representing your foundation, regardless of what sort of foundation it is.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by deepl_derber »

carapace wrote: post #43

Character assassination by anonymous cowards. The Free Software movement has been completely routed. MS owns GitHub. The farmers fighting for the "right to repair" their tractors are the "front" of the "battle" for user empowerment. But sure let's beat the shit out of the dead horse that's actually a real live old man with cancer who wrote fucking Emacs, see if that helps?

> Character assassination by anonymous cowards.

Character assassination involves lies. The majority of this is just "here's a collection of absolutely indefensible shit RMS said, in his own words".

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by deepl_derber »

fsflover wrote: post #114
madahin wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because children can begin puberty super early [1] Because puberty begin on average at 10-12 [2] The fact that some countries/cultures are okay with child marriage doesn't mean that it's not absolutely disgusting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precocious_puberty [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puberty

It doesn't mean that discussing it must result in a cancellation of a person though.

I agree, which is why it's fortunate that no one is or has suggested "cancelling" anyone for "discussing" things.

The report's author(s) are advocating for removing RMS from positions of influence and authority from the free software community because he's advocating for child sex abuse and bestiality, harasses women, and is a shitty human being.

Pretending that anyone ever has been jettisoned from their position or public life for "discussing" something - or that that's what's happening here - is insanely disingenuous.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by deepl_derber »

fsflover wrote: post #116
shadowgovt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the goal: to promote free software or to stand for people's rights to have sexual relations with fourteen-year-olds? If the former, having the movement spearheaded by someone who has pretty controversial views on the latter isn't really doing the movement any good. If FSF clings stubbornly to a thought-leader who people can't take seriously, they're canceling themselves. I've seen the accusation leveraged in…

> or to stand for people's rights to have sexual relations with fourteen-year-olds? Who are you talking about? This is completely misleading and not what Stallman was saying.

It is absolutely what he was saying.

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by deepl_derber »

bringen wrote: post #18
cassepipe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't read it and you should, maybe it would cut down the paranoia. This is not an attack on the free software movement and this is clearly from people who do care about the free software movement values.

I've skimmed through it and see nothing much to actually be concerned about. We all know Stallman is a rather strange, socially awkward man with some oddball views that go against the grain. A document berating him for being a weirdo, while shrilly exaggerating all the "evidence" in an effort to destroy him and everything he's built over his lifetime, is not particularly useful or necessary. The purpose of this is cl…

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Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by immibis »

shadowgovt wrote: post #168
tourmalinetaco wrote: post #165

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What’s your point, exactly? How does the “open source” approach solve this? Surely you’re not putting down the AGPLv3 without also recognizing that “open source” software only strengthens proprietary *wares?

On the contrary, I think open source strengthens everything. Where copyleft leaves users of other people's software looking over their shoulder to confirm they haven't broken the license, with open source licenses I can release some work and not worry about how it's used, and I can use somebody's work without fear that they will come after me later. It does strengthen proprietary software. It also strengthens everyon…

What you're referring to is actually permissive licensing (or as I like to call it... /s). It's a scam.

It works fine for trivial pieces of code that no one cares about. But for bigger pieces of software, you're donating your time to Amazon, Microsoft and Palantir. You're volunteering for them. Why would you do that? If they want you to work for them they should pay you. If not for your wallet's sake then for the sake of hurting bad companies.

Copyleft is easy to comply with. Being scared of copyleft is like being scared of servers (which most programmers are according to DHH!).

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

immibis wrote: post #177
shadowgovt wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, I think open source strengthens everything. Where copyleft leaves users of other people's software looking over their shoulder to confirm they haven't broken the license, with open source licenses I can release some work and not worry about how it's used, and I can use somebody's work without fear that they will come after me later. It does strengthen proprietary software. It also strengthens everyon…

What you're referring to is actually permissive licensing (or as I like to call it... /s). It's a scam. It works fine for trivial pieces of code that no one cares about. But for bigger pieces of software, you're donating your time to Amazon, Microsoft and Palantir. You're volunteering for them. Why would you do that? If they want you to work for them they should pay you. If not for your wallet's sake then for the sak…

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Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

TLLtchvL8KZ wrote: post #157
Managor wrote: post #131

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Drew please. What is your ultimate purpose in creating this smear piece?

He needs to do as much damage to Stallman while he still can. Stallman's recent health scares (as noted in the "stallman report") have most likely prompted this as Drew knows once RMS passes away he wont be able to get his revenge on the guy or have him removed from what has been his life's work. There are screenshots from Drews live streams which show his browser history/bookmarks which show links to 4ch board for c…

What’s even more horrifying is he believes in forcing IUD surgeries onto teen girls. Why is a man this old so invested into sexual art of and opinions relating to the sex life of young teens? It’s genuinely disgusting to think about.

“I'm of the opinion that 14 year old girls should be required to have an IUD installed. Ten years of contraception that requires a visit to the doctor to remove prematurely.” - https://web.archive.org/web/20130523180641/http://www.reddit...

Re: The Stallman Report

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Post by shadowgovt »

immibis wrote: post #177
shadowgovt wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, I think open source strengthens everything. Where copyleft leaves users of other people's software looking over their shoulder to confirm they haven't broken the license, with open source licenses I can release some work and not worry about how it's used, and I can use somebody's work without fear that they will come after me later. It does strengthen proprietary software. It also strengthens everyon…

What you're referring to is actually permissive licensing (or as I like to call it... /s). It's a scam. It works fine for trivial pieces of code that no one cares about. But for bigger pieces of software, you're donating your time to Amazon, Microsoft and Palantir. You're volunteering for them. Why would you do that? If they want you to work for them they should pay you. If not for your wallet's sake then for the sak…

> But for bigger pieces of software, you're donating your time to Amazon, Microsoft and Palantir. You're volunteering for them. Why would you do that?

Because "everyone" means everyone. Ask the OpenSSL developers why they do what they do.

> Being scared of copyleft is like being scared of servers (which most programmers are according to DHH!).

... Yep, you got it.

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