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DEA National Drug Threat Assessment 2024 [pdf]

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs

It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson.

The DEA's War on Americans Who Use Drugs is not just an abject failure, it's directly responsible for much of our nations ills including the decreasing respect for fundamental rights, law and order, and the police.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

I think the tide has shifted. Marijuana laws are incredibly lax now and if anything this kind of plays into the “slippery slope” argument they tried to make for decades.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

I think the tide has shifted. Marijuana laws are incredibly lax now and if anything this kind of plays into the “slippery slope” argument they tried to make for decades.

I think you're both overthinking things. There are more drugs, that are more powerful, and they are more easily available than ever before. Fentanyl is easy to make (thank you biochemical advances), easy to distribute (thank you massive e-commerce market for the camouflage), easy to buy (thank you crypto), and a rice grain's worth will kill. This isn't because of DEA policy, or a slippery slope, this is human progress meeting human flaw.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

They only care about their own preservation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the tide has shifted. Marijuana laws are incredibly lax now and if anything this kind of plays into the “slippery slope” argument they tried to make for decades.

I think you're both overthinking things. There are more drugs, that are more powerful, and they are more easily available than ever before. Fentanyl is easy to make (thank you biochemical advances), easy to distribute (thank you massive e-commerce market for the camouflage), easy to buy (thank you crypto), and a rice grain's worth will kill. This isn't because of DEA policy, or a slippery slope, this is human progres…

One proposed explanation I've heard for the rapid rise of fentanyl is that prohibition gives a major competitive advantage to more potent drugs, even if people who use opioid drugs would prefer the less potent alternatives, because they are cheaper to produce and much easier to smuggle.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

I think the tide has shifted. Marijuana laws are incredibly lax now and if anything this kind of plays into the “slippery slope” argument they tried to make for decades.

It's a bit frustrating to observe the US on this issue go from draconic prohibition to laissez faire commercialization when probably the solution lies in a legalized but regulated approach.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

Plant-based in this context means traditional heroin (which is harvested from Poppies) not Weed.

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> The 2024 NDTA highlights the dangerous shift from plant-based drugs to synthetic drugs It's almost as if it was a mistake to spend decades throwing people in jail for using the plant-based drugs... But perusing the document, I see no such admission. In fact, in their section on marijuana they use scare-quotes around "legalize" and "legal", showing they absolutely haven't learned their lesson. The DEA's War on Ameri…

Plant-based in this context means traditional heroin (which is harvested from Poppies) not Weed.

Heroin isn't harvested from poppies, opium is. A lot of the problems of the heroin trade could be solved by letting people grow and smoke their own poppies, like they did for thousands of years before prohibition. A similar thing could be said for cocaine and the coca leaf.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the tide has shifted. Marijuana laws are incredibly lax now and if anything this kind of plays into the “slippery slope” argument they tried to make for decades.

I think you're both overthinking things. There are more drugs, that are more powerful, and they are more easily available than ever before. Fentanyl is easy to make (thank you biochemical advances), easy to distribute (thank you massive e-commerce market for the camouflage), easy to buy (thank you crypto), and a rice grain's worth will kill. This isn't because of DEA policy, or a slippery slope, this is human progres…

Yeah, that's why session beers don't exist and everyone only drinks everclear nowadays.

/s

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