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Re: I Hate the Letter F

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Post by amenhotep »

reikonomusha wrote: post #27
robin_reala wrote: post #3

As a commenter points out, that’d make programming a difficult pastime. Can’t think of a non-esolang without if and for apart from Brainfuck, and that’s got an f in the name.

Easy in Common Lisp without sacrificing ergonomics or getting stuck in a Turing tarpit. We'd make a small preamble to define new names for things like DEFUN, Lisp's operator to define new functions. No F's needed to do that either. We can do this by taking advantage of read-time evaluation. First we get references to the symbols DEFMACRO and DEFUN. (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (setq de*un (i…

I think that's cheating. 70 is just F with a different hat on.

Re: I Hate the Letter F

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Post by SanjayMehta »

SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

It’s a design problem in English.

Learn Sanskrit. Use its script to write English.

There’s a vocalist who can sing in any language. She rewrites the lyrics in Sanskrit and then has perfect pronunciation.

Will update with a link when I find it.

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#53

Post by hunter2_ »

SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

I think most people say Pasific, not Pazifik. I can't think of an example where I would pronounce c like z. Your point stands, regardless.

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#54

Post by captn3m0 »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #52
SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

It’s a design problem in English. Learn Sanskrit. Use its script to write English. There’s a vocalist who can sing in any language. She rewrites the lyrics in Sanskrit and then has perfect pronunciation. Will update with a link when I find it.

You don’t need Sanskrit. IPA probably works much better, as Sanskrit’s alphabet doesn’t represent everything.

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#55

Post by majewsky »

hunter2_ wrote: post #53
SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

I think most people say Pasific, not Pazifik. I can't think of an example where I would pronounce c like z. Your point stands, regardless.

Maybe he's just German? "Pazifik" is in fact the German word for this ocean, as a shorthand for the proper name "Pazifischer Ozean".

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#56

Post by ninkendo »

SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet.

The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

https://guidetogrammar.org/grammar/twain.htm

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#57

Post by SvenL »

majewsky wrote: post #55
hunter2_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people say Pasific, not Pazifik. I can't think of an example where I would pronounce c like z. Your point stands, regardless.

Maybe he's just German? "Pazifik" is in fact the German word for this ocean, as a shorthand for the proper name "Pazifischer Ozean".

Yes, you got me, I‘m German. German is even worse when it comes to the letter c. Chemie vs. Choreografie… and I know there are lunatics who pronounce it „Kemie“, but still.

For non German speaker, both words start with „ch“, one is commonly pronounced softly like „shemie“ while the other one is pronounced like a „k“ - similar to the English choreography. Even in English „chemistry“ is pronounced similar with „k“.

Re: I Hate the Letter F

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Post by reikonomusha »

amenhotep wrote: post #51
reikonomusha wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy in Common Lisp without sacrificing ergonomics or getting stuck in a Turing tarpit. We'd make a small preamble to define new names for things like DEFUN, Lisp's operator to define new functions. No F's needed to do that either. We can do this by taking advantage of read-time evaluation. First we get references to the symbols DEFMACRO and DEFUN. (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (setq de*un (i…

I think that's cheating. 70 is just F with a different hat on.

Would it be better for you if we took the Nth symbol in alphabetical order from the list of 978 standard symbols? You could do that.

How about searching for all symbols with the letters DEMACRO that are 8 letters long? We could do that too.

The technique works so long as you can uniquely determine the symbol through some combination of standard Lisp functions that don't contain F. Lisp has a big library, so it's not tough.

"70" isn't a number that is associated to F in any common person's understanding, and the pronunciation of the number "70" in English has no objectionable F sounds, so I don't agree it's cheating. :)

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#59

Post by kagevf »

reikonomusha wrote: post #27
robin_reala wrote: post #3

As a commenter points out, that’d make programming a difficult pastime. Can’t think of a non-esolang without if and for apart from Brainfuck, and that’s got an f in the name.

Easy in Common Lisp without sacrificing ergonomics or getting stuck in a Turing tarpit. We'd make a small preamble to define new names for things like DEFUN, Lisp's operator to define new functions. No F's needed to do that either. We can do this by taking advantage of read-time evaluation. First we get references to the symbols DEFMACRO and DEFUN. (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (setq de*un (i…

A garbage reddit post produces this great comment - only on HN! :)

And somehow, my reply managed to avoid using that letter ...

Re: I Hate the Letter F

#60

Post by SanjayMehta »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #52
SvenL wrote: post #33

Boy, finally somebody who also hates a certain letter. I hate c - it’s totally garbage letter. Take for example Pacific Ocean. Every damn c in that two word is pronounced differently. Worst part, you could replace it with other letters (Pazifik Oshean). It’s redundant. C is just a nightmare…

It’s a design problem in English. Learn Sanskrit. Use its script to write English. There’s a vocalist who can sing in any language. She rewrites the lyrics in Sanskrit and then has perfect pronunciation. Will update with a link when I find it.

Shreya Ghoshal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Shre...

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