#BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban • Hacker News Board

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by Produce » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 12:37 PM UTC

r0s wrote: post #278

mongol wrote: post #252

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Let's see here... Motorola together with telecom companies such as Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens etc worked for decades in establishing standards and infrastructure for digital mobile phones. In this they were truly succesful, and this would not have been possible unless they had shared patents with each other that were involved in common standards. Then, much later, enters Apple and brings nothing to the table with regar…

> would not have been possible unless they had shared patents with each other that were involved in common standards How generous of them to establish open standards like that eyeroll .

Seriously. The whole point here seems to be that people should pay a tax because other people are doing obvious fucking shit. Fuck patents.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by fireflash38 » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 12:50 PM UTC

flyinRyan wrote: post #344

beedogs wrote: post #324

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> Is this particular patent valid? Maybe, maybe not... it doesn't really matter. Are you shitting me ??? They just got two of their competitors' flagship products banned from sale over that bullshit patent, which will likely take years to invalidate. What on earth makes you think it "doesn't matter"?

I think he's saying this is exactly what should be happening. The competitors didn't innovate, they copied. For that, they have to be punished or there will be no "next iPad" level advancement.

Except for this current patent fiasco with the Galaxy Nexus! They definitely did innovate, and yet they are getting knocked down for something that has been in use on normal computers for years now ... but for some reason is patentable because it's now on a phone.

For blatant copying? Sure, knock that down, ban sales of it. But to say that the Galaxy Nexus is copying the iPhone is ridiculous to the extreme, and Apple is just using the weapons they have (these silly, over-broad patents) to try to limit competition. I mean come on, unified search? Google practically invented that.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by siglesias » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 1:11 PM UTC

acchow wrote: post #349

VigUi7vv8G2 wrote: post #331

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Neither did Steve Jobs. What's your point?

For those who missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Stealing is not copying. Stealing means making it your own.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by freehunter » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 1:11 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #194

prezjordan wrote: post #189

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Not if you make a comment like "iSuck, but I think I am better that everyone" on r/technology. I wish your description were true everywhere.

Comments like that usually come after a long, dumb tree that started out with good intentions. It happens on HN too. The difference is that I can collapse those threads on Reddit, or hide the story completely.

Collapsible comments on HN would be awesome. Too often I get deep into a huge comment thread that has gone off topic and close the tab after I lose interest and forget what the topic was supposed to be about.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by Evbn » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 1:33 PM UTC

Unclear which is worse for Google: The GN being banned, or customers actually trying to use the GN and experiencing constant crashing...

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mkr-hn » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 2:05 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #354

mkr-hn wrote: post #194

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Comments like that usually come after a long, dumb tree that started out with good intentions. It happens on HN too. The difference is that I can collapse those threads on Reddit, or hide the story completely.

Collapsible comments on HN would be awesome. Too often I get deep into a huge comment thread that has gone off topic and close the tab after I lose interest and forget what the topic was supposed to be about.

The resistance to it probably comes from the belief that it would hasten HN's decline. Once you can collapse subthreads, what's the motivation to not contribute to the subthreads?

But Reddit at levels 1-5 is almost indistinguishable from HN at levels 1-5. The only differences between HN and Reddit are topic diversity, collapsing, and limiting comment display to the top 100 or 500 comments.

That has me using HN less in recent months. It failed to account for the inevitable with display tools, so a thread that would be perfectly navigable on Reddit is unreadable on HN.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 2:05 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #354

mkr-hn wrote: post #194

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Comments like that usually come after a long, dumb tree that started out with good intentions. It happens on HN too. The difference is that I can collapse those threads on Reddit, or hide the story completely.

Collapsible comments on HN would be awesome. Too often I get deep into a huge comment thread that has gone off topic and close the tab after I lose interest and forget what the topic was supposed to be about.

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Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mitchty » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 2:11 PM UTC

cgranade wrote: post #291

mitchty wrote: post #253

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I'm curious then, what exactly do you buy? Almost every company on this planet has done things both legally and socially that would mean you boycott almost all corporations. This would asus is out, samsung, motorola, , how do you correlate this view with the rest of the products you buy? Do you drive a car and fill it with gasoline or diesel? Then likely you're implicating yourself in the extraction of natural resour…

I get that there are compromises made in every decision I make, and that to that extent, I am complicit in the actions taken by the companies that I support. I certainly did not mean to exempt myself from that; rather, I was trying to argue against the philosophy that such considerations should be ignored. While I get that pragmatism is important, I disagree that we can disregard the actions of the companies we suppo…

No worries, sorry for the late reply, had to go watch sports and drink beer. :)

I was just trying to find out exactly what it was that sparked your personal boycott and how that extends to other areas of life.

Personally I can't be arsed to care about tech company patent litigation since there are much worse things to worry about. In essence I'm referring to things like child labor/environment damage etc.... I'm not absolving tech companies, but on a scale of 1-10 as to ethical considerations its not that high on the list I would rank.

Basically that's my view in a nutshell, at work so I can't give a full reply, tschuss!

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by mitchty » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 2:24 PM UTC

coopdog wrote: post #304

mitchty wrote: post #152

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So then you're boycotting Motorola and Google products as well because they had a similar injunction against Apple in Germany right? If not why? I find it amusing how emotional tech people get over these patent wars. Its one companies legal team versus the other over legalities and trivialities. If you looked at how often car companies sued each other over look and feel patents you would realize the whole thing is a…

Apple shot first. Google has patents that they can use defensively, I say anything that happens to Apple is fair turn about after the 10.1 You didn't see Google suing Bing over the pagerank algorithm. I'm sure Google has patents relating to map-reduce but distributed computing is still taking off. If the patent game were played out to its fullest without reform, all innovation would virtually grind to a halt, so a br…

I'm curious why the patent system in other areas hasn't caused "all innovation would grind to a halt" to occur like you presume.

To play devils advocate here, maybe the entire tech press is much ado about nothing for pageviews. Which is largely what I think is occurring, there is less news in tech so there has to be something to fill in page views.

Also referring to Apples products as "shit" makes me question your general statements. Relax a little and don't take sides on what is inevitably a non-issue. The us versus them group attitude isn't necessary for this discussion.

Note, Google was rather mad at Bing about basically scraping their pages. That said its a different situation entirely and not analogous to the case at hand as they aren't similar in the least.

So I'll ask you the same as I asked before. Given that patents have been granted, should Apple enforce patents they see as infringing on other companies? If not, what determining factor should they use to apply patents? Also, if it wasn't patented by other companies before Apple, why did those companies not patent it? Why should companies only use patents for defense if others are infringing?

If your answer is to win in the court of public opinion I think you are ignoring the legal frameworks that patents sit within. Its a nice pie in the sky opinion, but I think its really shortsighted to imagine a company that is highly profitable to change its ways just to appease a bunch of tech journalists and nerds that often don't have domain knowledge (I'm in this camp as well) to give a true assessment of the situation.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by vidarh » Mon, Jul 02, 2012, 2:36 PM UTC

mtgx wrote: post #231

raganesh wrote: post #180

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If you are accusing her of bribery, that is a very serious allegation. Imagine if such a thing happens and is eventually exposed. What a scandal would it be. I don't think any large company, let alone Apple, would want to be involved in any such mess.

I don't know about this case, but I think ITC has been suspiciously anti-Google for the past few patent cases. In almost every single instance they've ruled in favor of Apple or Microsoft, and against Google.

You mean largely against non-US companies that wants to sell Android handsets on the US market.

If we posit that these decisions are biased rather than just an effect of the broken US patent system, I think it's more likely that the ITC is merely pushing a protectionist agenda that is being enabled by having somewhat plausible complaints from US companies than that there's somehow corruption going on.