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And to sprinkle some "whataboutism" - just a reminder that most of the muslim world is an apartheid based on gender, and even men who don't suffer from it usually have way less human rights than arab israelis.
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The jewish people have a 2000 year old history and presence in the region, if that's consider colonialism then might as well just declare earth a settler-colonialist project and get it over with.
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In the west bank yes, in israel proper no. And to sprinkle some "whataboutism" - just a reminder that most of the muslim world is an apartheid based on gender, and even men who don't suffer from it usually have way less human rights than arab israelis.
[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...
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In the west bank yes, in israel proper no. And to sprinkle some "whataboutism" - just a reminder that most of the muslim world is an apartheid based on gender, and even men who don't suffer from it usually have way less human rights than arab israelis.
No, even within the 1948 borders too. [1] [1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICJ_case_on_Israel%27s_occupat...
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No, it‘s not complicated. It’s straight and clear. Every human rights org says so, the UN says so, HR scholars say so. It is apartheid.
Ugh, no matter whose side you're on, if the Israel-Palestine situation is not complicated, I'm not sure what is.
While the situation in Israel differs from that in the West Bank, there are still significant elements of systemic discrimination against Arab citizens. The 2018 Nation-State Law is a prime example, as it:
1. Removedd Arabic as an offical language 2. Defined Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people exclusively 3. Declared Jewish settlements a national value
This law effectively codified the second-class status of Arab citizens, who make up about 20% of Israel's population. Additionally, Arab Israelis face ongoing disparities in areas such as education, employment, and housing. They are underrepresented in government and leadership positions.
While Arab citizens have legal rights on paper, the reality is a system of de facto segregation and institutional discrimination. The Nation-State Law and other policies create a two-tiered system that privileges Jewish citizens over Arab citizens, meeting key criteria of apartheid even within Israel proper.
[1] What to Know About the Arab Citizens of Israel https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citize... [2] Israel's controversial new “Jewish nation-state” law, explained | Vox https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/31/17623978/israel-jewish-n... [3] Israel: New Laws Marginalize Palestinian Arab Citizens https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/03/30/israel-new-laws-marginal... [4] The argument that Israel practices apartheid, explained https://www.vox.com/23924319/israel-palestine-apartheid-mean... [5] Israel - Minority Rights Group https://minorityrights.org/country/israel/ [6] Q&A: Israel's Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of ... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israel...
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In the west bank yes, in israel proper no. And to sprinkle some "whataboutism" - just a reminder that most of the muslim world is an apartheid based on gender, and even men who don't suffer from it usually have way less human rights than arab israelis.
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Ugh, no matter whose side you're on, if the Israel-Palestine situation is not complicated, I'm not sure what is.
I disagree. While the situation in Israel differs from that in the West Bank, there are still significant elements of systemic discrimination against Arab citizens. The 2018 Nation-State Law is a prime example, as it: 1. Removedd Arabic as an offical language 2. Defined Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people exclusively 3. Declared Jewish settlements a national value This law effectively codified the second-…
At the end of the day it's quite clear why jewish people want a jewish country, so yes, some discrimination around immigration will always be "built-in" into israel.
Now do I think israel is trending in the wrong direction? 100% yes. Do I wish for a two state solution and achieving as equal rights as possible while maintaining the status of israel as a jewish state? also 100% yes.
Do I think that calling israel proper an apartheid is just leading to people on both sides to become even more extreme? also yes.
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I disagree. While the situation in Israel differs from that in the West Bank, there are still significant elements of systemic discrimination against Arab citizens. The 2018 Nation-State Law is a prime example, as it: 1. Removedd Arabic as an offical language 2. Defined Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people exclusively 3. Declared Jewish settlements a national value This law effectively codified the second-…
Show me a country that doesn't have systemic discrimination of minority groups. At the end of the day it's quite clear why jewish people want a jewish country, so yes, some discrimination around immigration will always be "built-in" into israel. Now do I think israel is trending in the wrong direction? 100% yes. Do I wish for a two state solution and achieving as equal rights as possible while maintaining the status…
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Show me a country that doesn't have systemic discrimination of minority groups. At the end of the day it's quite clear why jewish people want a jewish country, so yes, some discrimination around immigration will always be "built-in" into israel. Now do I think israel is trending in the wrong direction? 100% yes. Do I wish for a two state solution and achieving as equal rights as possible while maintaining the status…
We could have had a one state solution. One country for all. Christians, muslims, jews. That would have been just.
If you'd try to force a one state solution in the near/medium term you'd just end up with another divided failed state similar to lebanon (and probably much worse), the population would just be too divided on basically every subject, with militant/religious extremists on both sides making the keg especially explosive.
So ask yourself what is better for the people, trying to achieve some ideal for the sake of that ideal or actually trying to achieve something that could work? If this were an engineering project, would you do a full refactor with an extremely high chance of failure or go through an intermediate step that would bring a lot of the benefits with a much higher chance of success?