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Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by noduerme »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12

What the US is doing to Cuba is nothing sort of criminal. It's been 60 years since the bay of Pigs and Cuban Crisis, it's time to end the embargo. One thing that I was hopeful in the Biden v. Trump 2024 was that whoever won wouldn't have felt the need to win Florida anymore in their lifetime and so they could have gone for the legacy of ending the embargo on Cuba during their Presidency. Instead now with Harris of co…

Sorry, but why is it criminal? I wish the US and Europe would embargo every regime that jails its political adversaries.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by noduerme »

unethical_ban wrote: post #22
proc0 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US is doing nothing. No country has the "right" to trade with any other. Maybe Cuba should start admitting their system does not work.

A 60-year-old diplomatic row aside, where is The logic in continuing at embargo on Cuba considering any of the other countries and governments the US allows business and travel with?

>> considering any of the other countries

Precisely. The flaw is not in continuing an embargo againsy Cuba. It's in not putting an embargo on China, Qatar, and other regimes that treat their workers/denizens like slaves.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by gruez »

victorbojica wrote: post #28
yongjik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no fan of communism but that's a reductive take. China of today is communist in name only, but it's still very centrally managed, and that didn't stop China from becoming a global economic superpower. One could say something similar for Japan of the early 20th century, or, to a lesser extent, South Korea in the 60s when the economy was very much centrally planned under a dictator.

I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power. This is the main problem with communism. It all depends on one single person and how they are.

>I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power.

See: their zero covid policy. Great at first, but the stuck dogmatically to it even after omicron, which led to massive deaths.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by justinko »

ein0p wrote: post #23
Arnt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia tells all: Canada, the US, Italy, Germany, Russia, France and the UK are the top sources of tourists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Cuba

Canada is probably also in large part “the US” - there are no direct flights there from the US. Why we keep up this idiotic embargo is anyone’s guess.

There’s only one direct flight and that’s from Miami with American Airlines.

You have a lot of research to do if you think the problem is the embargo.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by justinko »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #12

What the US is doing to Cuba is nothing sort of criminal. It's been 60 years since the bay of Pigs and Cuban Crisis, it's time to end the embargo. One thing that I was hopeful in the Biden v. Trump 2024 was that whoever won wouldn't have felt the need to win Florida anymore in their lifetime and so they could have gone for the legacy of ending the embargo on Cuba during their Presidency. Instead now with Harris of co…

If trade opened up you think money would flow to the people? The military dictatorship controls absolutely everything.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by yongjik »

victorbojica wrote: post #28
yongjik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm no fan of communism but that's a reductive take. China of today is communist in name only, but it's still very centrally managed, and that didn't stop China from becoming a global economic superpower. One could say something similar for Japan of the early 20th century, or, to a lesser extent, South Korea in the 60s when the economy was very much centrally planned under a dictator.

I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power. This is the main problem with communism. It all depends on one single person and how they are.

I'll grant that communism makes it easy for a single person to have all the power, but "one single person in power can ruin everything" is not exactly unique to communism, and I am unconvinced that it explains why communist nations tend to stay poor.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #33
victorbojica wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power. This is the main problem with communism. It all depends on one single person and how they are.

>I'd call that luck. Wait until a bad or stupid actor gets to power. See: their zero covid policy. Great at first, but the stuck dogmatically to it even after omicron, which led to massive deaths.

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Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by ecocentrik »

throwaway199956 wrote: post #18
ChumpGPT wrote: post #3

Cuba could be the most prosperous island in the Caribbean, they have a railroad, miles and miles of beautiful beaches, farm land, etc and yet can't make communism work. I friend returned from a short trip and said even the finest resorts have no bread amongst other things. The population is malnourished and live in squalor. Castro's Dream.... My grandfather use to say "80 years of communism and we are still lining up…

May be you should visit Haiti and see which is better.

Haiti has many, many other problems including being severely deforested.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by ein0p »

justinko wrote: post #34
ein0p wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada is probably also in large part “the US” - there are no direct flights there from the US. Why we keep up this idiotic embargo is anyone’s guess.

There’s only one direct flight and that’s from Miami with American Airlines. You have a lot of research to do if you think the problem is the embargo.

Wasn’t aware there’s now a direct flight from Miami. I went there through Canada back in the day.

Re: Cuba's power grid fails, plunging country into darkness

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Post by graeme »

jrflowers wrote: post #21
proc0 wrote: post #20

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I literally stated the opposite of that.. it keeps re-emerging because it takes advantage of feelings. People want to fix the problems of the world, communism offers solutions that don't work but sound nice.

I see, I misunderstood you. You were saying that there is no issue inherent to the tenets of communism that would make it fail

You're referring to the govt failing to maintain itself in power, whereas OP is referring to a govt failing as a functional system for the improvement of society.
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