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Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by Qem »

anovick wrote: post #107
DAGdug wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ as they are right now in a similar context” You can be more direct about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians! All it takes for evil to succeed ….

There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. In particular: - There's no racial segregation laws; an Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere a Jewish-Israeli can. In fact, Arabic is an officially recognized language by the state of Israel, and throughout the country, every public service has signs in Arabic alongside Hebrew. - Jews are not a minor…

> There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel.

According to Human Rights Watch[1], Amnesty International[2], and many other human rights organizations, the regime in Israel today is in fact recognized as a system of apartheid. Mandela himself shown a lot of solidarity to the palestinian cause[3].

[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

[2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israel...

[3] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/nelson-mandela-30-years-p...

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by SG- »

jgrahamc wrote: post #34
1970-01-01 wrote: post #29

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I did a pass with bkcrack. The password is over 13 char. bkcrack.exe -k 98e0f009 48a0b11a c70f8499 -r 1..18 ?p bkcrack 1.7.0 - 2024-05-26 [11:07:33] Recovering password length 0-6... length 7... length 8... length 9... length 10... length 11... length 12... length 13...

I can tell you it's over 14 ?p, and over 16 ?u?d, and over 17 ?u.

where's the original encrypted zip for this?

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by cempaka »

HideousKojima wrote: post #105
cempaka wrote: post #81

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Is the IDF dropping bombs on apartment buildings in Beirut "terrorism"?

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Okay, well then if government buildings house any members of the IDF or apartheid South Africa's military, then certainly they are also legitimate targets and it is not "terrorism" to destroy them with bombs? Or, conversely, the label must also be applied to IDF sorties?

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by cempaka »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #120
hashbig wrote: post #114

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That's not how collateral damage works. The moral and legal responsibility is on the one dropping the bombs. As horrible as the US wars were, when we decided to kill Bin Laden, we sent a special operations team at night instead of flattening entire villages in Pakistan. The indiscriminate killing that Israel is doing in Gaza and Lebanon is unprecedented since the second World War. Justifying it will normalize civilia…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...

Wow, naming the Skynet targeting system "Gospel" puts a particularly Satanic flourish on the whole thing.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by klipt »

oa335 wrote: post #119
anovick wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no similar context because the Apartheid system that existed in South Africa has no resemblance to today's Israel. In particular: - There's no racial segregation laws; an Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere a Jewish-Israeli can. In fact, Arabic is an officially recognized language by the state of Israel, and throughout the country, every public service has signs in Arabic alongside Hebrew. - Jews are not a minor…

> Arab-Israeli can travel anywhere … That is simply not true. E.g. The city of Hebron is segregated by religion - see https://youtu.be/Z42HhaywhGQ?si=bTBhEFi5lgBJQX9v

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Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by cempaka »

eastbound wrote: post #85
cempaka wrote: post #81

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Is the IDF dropping bombs on apartment buildings in Beirut "terrorism"?

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What percentage of Gaza, would you say, has to be leveled and carpet bombed before you would no longer characterize the Israelis as "limiting collateral damage"?

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by banku_brougham »

tdeck wrote: post #63
mmooss wrote: post #55

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> Protests and petitions are completely ineffective They have been effective for millenia, even before democracy. The only thing ineffective now is people saying so. With all the evidence in the world that protest works, people bizarrely disarm themselves. The targets of the protests take great pains to convince you of it; that should tell you something. They'll bluff until they lose.

I think this greatly depends on rhe type of protest, specifically whether it threatens the ruling class's ability to make a profit or to govern. In recent centuries liberal governments have gotten better at channeling discontent into forms of protest that are less consequential and more performative.

I remember the massive protests against the Itaq war, and how they were effectively managed in the US. In NYC for example, the train service into the cott was interrupted, delaying many protesters.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by nxobject »

motohagiography wrote: post #101

I remember the activist campaigns and the movie Cry Freedom about Steve Biko, another SA activist, had a significant impact on my worldview growing up. As revolutions and coups go it was clearly a success. I'd wonder how much of a role their electronic opsec played in it. I think it was the ANC and its activists organizing the coalition of other countries to sanction and isolate the government that ultimately caused…

> it's coordinating the external trade links to keep everyone paid and in their jobs while the top of the regime changes to new hands that's difficult.

That's actually a really good insight. It explains why quite a few successful revolutions – e.g. Russia and China – happened in countries _without_ an established administrative bureaucracy, and patted themselves on the based on their apparent competence in building one.

Re: Code that helped end Apartheid

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Post by nxobject »

Simulacra wrote: post #8

I think it was the fishing trip with Mandela and then-Prime Minister F.W. de Klerk in 1990 that ended apartheid. Specifically when one of de Klerk's people got a hook in his hand, and a Mandela person cleaned and bandaged it. After that trip Apartheid was finally broken.

I disagree with how this post was downvoted so heavily – this in an illustrative moment of rapprochement near the end of apartheid; saying it ended apartheid was a figure of speech, of course it didn't end apartheid in and of itself. It's as reasonable as saying that the fall of the Berlin Wall ended the Cold War.
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