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Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by Jerrrrrrry »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #66
Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #57

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This is not an allowed opinion in Western thought, regardless of its obviousness.

Psychiatry is the gift that keeps on giving. The strangest part of some of these mental diseases is how they're defined in terms of other people. You're ill because you fail to adapt to society. They diagnose a person with attention defict because he can't tolerate the government's mass education system. Can't sit still and that disrupts class and gets the guy sent to the principal who calls their parents and refers…

The Nash equilibrium of "treating 'everyone' 'fairly'" so we ignore the ones that we will depend on to continue to have the "privilege" to do continue to do so is an existential irony that will be referred to the "Filter of Nerfed Excellence" by the next sentient sap.

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Post by Carlseymanh »

squidgedcricket wrote: post #33
swayvil wrote: post #21

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Normal brain : The joy of considering future reward is greater than the joy of actual reward. Dysfunctional brain : The reverse. (Which makes me go hmm)

Other brains: No joy in response to future or present rewards. Anxiety on the journey, shame at the destination.

Spot on

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Post by red-iron-pine »

hiatus wrote: post #47
jprete wrote: post #9

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I think that's the whole house, not just bedrooms.

That would imply ADHD was profoundly more widespread in the generations of our grandparents and before, since 10 or more people sharing an apartment or living space was incredibly common.

entirely possible that it was, but it was less of an issue when you have to haul water 3km a day and then work in the fields.

kinda like autism numbers are going up, but that might simply be because of increased diagnosis. or how "gay" isn't a new thing that's just trending -- the romans and greeks (and ottomans, and the tang dynasty, etc.) were also pretty damn gay too.

all super common stuff, just not logged as much

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by 8f2ab37a-ed6c »

SoftTalker wrote: post #51

I don't really see how there can be any question that chaos, poverty, moving every year, constantly changing schools, multiple and changing "parent" figures, adults making poor choices over and over, no examples of deliberate planning and saving for the future, screws up kids. They learn that life is completely unpredictable, that opportunities for reward should be taken immediately because they will not be there lat…

Humans are antifragile. They survive disease, famine, loss, death of kin, all sorts of horrible abuse and still manage to build a great life afterwards. Look at all of the people who survived German concentration camps and still were able to live lives worth living after the fact. Not everybody, but it's clearly possible.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by crazygringo »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #74
SoftTalker wrote: post #51

I don't really see how there can be any question that chaos, poverty, moving every year, constantly changing schools, multiple and changing "parent" figures, adults making poor choices over and over, no examples of deliberate planning and saving for the future, screws up kids. They learn that life is completely unpredictable, that opportunities for reward should be taken immediately because they will not be there lat…

Humans are antifragile. They survive disease, famine, loss, death of kin, all sorts of horrible abuse and still manage to build a great life afterwards. Look at all of the people who survived German concentration camps and still were able to live lives worth living after the fact. Not everybody, but it's clearly possible.

> Humans are antifragile.

This is not true at all.

Some survive, but many die from the things you've described. Of those that survive, many fail completely to build a great life afterwards. They succumb to alcoholism, other addictions, and many die later from suicide.

Talk to any therapist and you'll find out that human fragility is the rule rather than the exception. After traumatic events, even those that "still manage to build a great life", as viewed from the outside, are often suffering greatly on the inside. Some of them manage to heal themselves with therapy and loving supportive relationships, but a great many don't. Which is why cycles of trauma unfortunately get passed on.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by _yb2s »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #59
_yb2s wrote: post #34

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It seems this is a sort of trick our brains evolved to play on us that drives us to act- which makes sense. It is the anticipation of a reward that drives strong feelings and behaviors, but the reward itself is usually not as big of a deal- we work hard for something we expect to be great, but when it actually happens we barely notice and immediately move on to thinking about something else. If dopamine only happened…

"Ya get high before ya actually get high, once ya know ya got it"

Yeah, it is surprising how many of the most dangerous effects of addictive drugs for example happen when you are not immediately experiencing their effects- the actions people take to obtain them. In that sense, I think the idea of downplaying non-drug addictions as categorically less important, e.g. "not chemically addictive" is a mistaken perspective.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #74
SoftTalker wrote: post #51

I don't really see how there can be any question that chaos, poverty, moving every year, constantly changing schools, multiple and changing "parent" figures, adults making poor choices over and over, no examples of deliberate planning and saving for the future, screws up kids. They learn that life is completely unpredictable, that opportunities for reward should be taken immediately because they will not be there lat…

Humans are antifragile. They survive disease, famine, loss, death of kin, all sorts of horrible abuse and still manage to build a great life afterwards. Look at all of the people who survived German concentration camps and still were able to live lives worth living after the fact. Not everybody, but it's clearly possible.

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Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by 082349872349872 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #16
082349872349872 wrote: post #6

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> No actions to take? The actions to take would appear to depend upon whether one wishes to have fewer adults with lifetime ADHD symptoms, or more*. The childhood adversities to affect either way are from [RutterQuinton77] and listed in TFA's Table S1, abbreviated here: *Low educational level parent with neither school nor training *Overcrowding more than 1.0 person/room or housing The ones marked with * are those fa…

Tread carefully. Your comment has the aroma of exactly the sort of first order thinking that over the past 50yr resulted in welfare programs exacerbating that exact list of problems (among others) that you're saying we can solve with more welfare. I don't know what the solution is but using government to replace or supplement the kind of support that people traditionally got from their family, friends and network has…

One simple and cheap thing that we do is have condoms (cheap) right next to the pregnancy tests (expensive) in vending machines.

It's logically possible this doesn't reduce single and early parenthood (although I bet someone had measured), but even in that unlikely event I don't see how it would adversely affect family, friends, or networks either.

Re: Impact of early life adversity on reward processing in young adults (2014)

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

airstrike wrote: post #41
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #35

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People used to think an Atom was the smallest particle, then they found Protons/Electrons etc.., then they found quarks. The brain is complicated, that doesn't mean we can't measure it and try and understand it. Right now people are just 'It's impossible, it must be a soul, or something mystical' how else could it be the way it is?

> Right now people are just 'It's impossible, it must be a soul, or something mystical' how else could it be the way it is? I haven't argued that at all and I'm not saying we can't measure it and understand it. I'm saying reducing it to "just chemicals" is missing the forest for the trees and goes against understanding it better. Might as well reduce it to just atoms, or just protons/electrons, or just quarks... Do y…

You are right. I was just trying to come up with a generic term for 'the physical world'. Neurons are made up of molecules, Neurotransmitters are molecules, a 'chemical'. Even the spark of the brain, isn't it just calcium ions carrying the charge.

Guess I was just off-hand thinking that 'chemicals' was 'reasonable' cutoff point from going too small, but small enough. It was off the cuff scaling, I have no real evidence where we would stop on the sliding scale from larger emergent properties.

People that go smaller, to quarks, and throw in Quantum Mechanics are usually not super serious. It gets woo-woo.

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