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Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

#61
Submitted my little side project IronCalc.

One thing it was difficult is that it wasn't clear what fields in the form had an error. So I didn't know what to modify to make the submit button clickable. It actually took me a bit to realize there might be something wrong in one of the inputs.

Thanks!!!

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Products with higher visibility will automatically get more upvotes, so even if you don't directly pay for upvotes, you indirectly do pay for upvotes. If you let people pay to be featured, you'll always end up favouring those who pay. And if you didn't favour those who pay, why would people pay in the first place? This is the big problem with all recommendation sites: The easiest way to monetize them is by charging v…

I don't disagree with the point that visibility = upvotes = leaderboards. It's possible it biases rankings as you outlined. That said, given the problem: "How do I monetize my rankings/listings website without introducing pay to win or relying on third-party ads?" I think the author implemented a tasteful and respectful solution. Other sites inject sponsors atop search results, every nth result, block parts of pages,…

Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I agree that visibility can affect upvotes and rankings. Given the challenge of monetizing without pay-to-win or intrusive ads. Your suggestions—like a voting freeze during sponsorships or vote expiration—are good, interesting ways to further address this concern.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with the point that visibility = upvotes = leaderboards. It's possible it biases rankings as you outlined. That said, given the problem: "How do I monetize my rankings/listings website without introducing pay to win or relying on third-party ads?" I think the author implemented a tasteful and respectful solution. Other sites inject sponsors atop search results, every nth result, block parts of pages,…

Thank you for the thoughtful feedback. I agree that visibility can affect upvotes and rankings. Given the challenge of monetizing without pay-to-win or intrusive ads. Your suggestions—like a voting freeze during sponsorships or vote expiration—are good, interesting ways to further address this concern.

There is no way to square this circle. If you take payments from the vendors you recommend, you will never be fair. Either you take their payments and don't promote them, then they'll stop paying. Or you take their payments and promote them, then you'll end up doing paid promotion.

If you want to make a "fair" recommendation site, you need to find some other way to monetize. One possibility would be to charge potential customers. I believe there are people out there who want fair recommendations, I'm just have no idea how to get them to pay.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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When you click ‘Community’ it goes to X. That’s not at all what I was hoping for or expected after clicking that link. Especially since you have another link directly below that to ‘Follow on X.’

I’d strongly recommend having your own community for something like this rather than relying on another platform.

If you intend to replace PH someday that is going to be a prerequisite. It’s going to take time to build, so I’d start asap rather than sending people to X.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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When you click ‘Community’ it goes to X. That’s not at all what I was hoping for or expected after clicking that link. Especially since you have another link directly below that to ‘Follow on X.’ I’d strongly recommend having your own community for something like this rather than relying on another platform. If you intend to replace PH someday that is going to be a prerequisite. It’s going to take time to build, so I…

Hey, thank you for your feedback! Building a community is indeed very difficult and takes a long time. In the long run, what you’re suggesting makes a lot of sense, and we need to start right away. For now, we’ll have to stick with X community, but we’ll launch our own community very soon.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

#67

Submitted my little side project IronCalc. One thing it was difficult is that it wasn't clear what fields in the form had an error. So I didn't know what to modify to make the submit button clickable. It actually took me a bit to realize there might be something wrong in one of the inputs. Thanks!!!

Hey! Thanks for your feedback! I will do some fixing to clearity asap.
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