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Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 6:34 AM UTC

Is the UI done with some AI tool?

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by brody_slade_ai » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 6:49 AM UTC

I've got a product, but I'm not sure if it's a good fit for Simple Lister. Can you provide any guidance or support to help me determine whether my product is a good fit for the platform, and if so, how I can optimize my submission to get the most out of it?

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by croisillon » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 7:55 AM UTC

tclayborne wrote: post #50

I'm not sure if this is a wonderfully "me" thing, but it's a behavior I see a lot on these types of sites. Long pressing links (for opening in background or such) doesn't seem to work on Safari (iPhone 14 Pro, iOS 18.1 dev beta 22B5054e). If it's helpful, I spend immensely more time browsing sites like this where the long pressing action does work. @denizhdzh

you're correct it doesn't work ; some of axios.com stories are linked that way as well, it's irritating

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by newaccount74 » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:41 AM UTC

denizhdzh wrote: post #33

treefarmer wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But then you have a paid "featured" tier, along with a leaderboard showing the most upvoted ones. How is this different from ProductHunt in the end? Isn't it still pay to win?

I understand your concern, but our paid tier simply boosts visibility, not rankings. It’s not “pay to win.” The underdog feature gives lesser-known projects a fair shot, chosen randomly from those with fewer upvotes. This ensures that every product, regardless of budget, has a chance to shine without favoritism. also, we have a plan to change all voting system for the future too.

Products with higher visibility will automatically get more upvotes, so even if you don't directly pay for upvotes, you indirectly do pay for upvotes.

If you let people pay to be featured, you'll always end up favouring those who pay. And if you didn't favour those who pay, why would people pay in the first place?

This is the big problem with all recommendation sites: The easiest way to monetize them is by charging vendors for visibility; so sooner or later all recommendation sites start recommending the most profitable products. High quality fair priced products don't have a chance, since they will always be outbid by someone who makes a cheaper product or charges more.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by denizhdzh » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:47 AM UTC

brody_slade_ai wrote: post #52

I've got a product, but I'm not sure if it's a good fit for Simple Lister. Can you provide any guidance or support to help me determine whether my product is a good fit for the platform, and if so, how I can optimize my submission to get the most out of it?

We don't have any guidance yet, actually I'm preparing new free tool about that. Sorry for today

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by laughing_snyder » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:56 AM UTC

Some minor feedback regarding UI/UX. When I go to your landing page (https://simplelister.com) I cannot open any of the "Today's Products" in a new tab (tested on Firefox and Chrome). So when I hover over a product and the background of that HTML element changes to a light gray, I cannot right-click "Open in new tab" or use the middle mouse button to open that link. I cannot quickly open multiple products.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by denizhdzh » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 8:58 AM UTC

laughing_snyder wrote: post #56

Some minor feedback regarding UI/UX. When I go to your landing page ( https://simplelister.com ) I cannot open any of the "Today's Products" in a new tab (tested on Firefox and Chrome). So when I hover over a product and the background of that HTML element changes to a light gray, I cannot right-click "Open in new tab" or use the middle mouse button to open that link. I cannot quickly open multiple products.

Yes! It was a bug, not on purpose. It will be fixed today, thank you for your kind feedback

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by brody_slade_ai » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 9:41 AM UTC

denizhdzh wrote: post #55

brody_slade_ai wrote: post #52

I've got a product, but I'm not sure if it's a good fit for Simple Lister. Can you provide any guidance or support to help me determine whether my product is a good fit for the platform, and if so, how I can optimize my submission to get the most out of it?

We don't have any guidance yet, actually I'm preparing new free tool about that. Sorry for today

Looking forward to it! All the best :)

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by tclayborne » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 9:50 AM UTC

newaccount74 wrote: post #54

denizhdzh wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your concern, but our paid tier simply boosts visibility, not rankings. It’s not “pay to win.” The underdog feature gives lesser-known projects a fair shot, chosen randomly from those with fewer upvotes. This ensures that every product, regardless of budget, has a chance to shine without favoritism. also, we have a plan to change all voting system for the future too.

Products with higher visibility will automatically get more upvotes, so even if you don't directly pay for upvotes, you indirectly do pay for upvotes. If you let people pay to be featured, you'll always end up favouring those who pay. And if you didn't favour those who pay, why would people pay in the first place? This is the big problem with all recommendation sites: The easiest way to monetize them is by charging v…

I don't disagree with the point that visibility = upvotes = leaderboards. It's possible it biases rankings as you outlined. That said, given the problem: "How do I monetize my rankings/listings website without introducing pay to win or relying on third-party ads?"

I think the author implemented a tasteful and respectful solution. Other sites inject sponsors atop search results, every nth result, block parts of pages, force extra navs to link-spammed pages to get the product site, or sends sponsors to the top of rankings regardless of votes. You never have to glance at that portion if you're not interested, and can find it if you are. It's good design and advertises to the user in a respectful and convenient way imo. This is a small fixture that's static, and not even in the common paths followed by users ("F" eye track)

@Author: Perhaps a voting freeze during the sponsored period or a vote expiration (votes older than a certain amount of time fall off the total or such) would address the visibility = rank boost concern. Two random examples for moderating it with zero future thought there, but I think you get the idea.

Re: Show HN: A fair Product Hunt alternative

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Post by maeil » Thu, Oct 17, 2024, 10:12 AM UTC

sarora27 wrote: post #15

I get why you see the need for this product. However, as someone who launched on PH and got featured w/ a team of two and no financial backers, I think the point is that it should not be easy to get featured. PH does a great job of putting filters in place to ensure only the 'best' (whether by polish, value prop, or combo of both) products end up making it to the top. It really forces makers to put their absolute bes…

How long ago was this? Have you read this [1]?

[1] https://wakatime.com/blog/67-bots-so-many-bots