This has gone on for far too long... while I don't use a paid/managed WP on my personal blog, I'm seriously considering dumping WP entirely and writing my own CMS for my personal blog.
WordPress retaliation impacts community
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Re: WordPress retaliation impacts community
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://ma.tt/2024/10/on-dhh/
He appears to have replaced the original post, which was a lot more ad hominem: https://archive.ph/UZZit
The post as it is now sounds really decent and a step in the right direction. Let's not air all the dirty laundry happening here, it looks like Matt is trying to do the "right" thing here.
Here is the current iteration of that post from Matt:
"I’ve taken this post down. I’ve been attacked so much the past few days; the most vicious, personal, hateful words poisoned my brain, and the original version of this post was mean. I am so sorry. I shouldn’t let this stuff get to me, but it clearly did, and I took it out on DHH, who, while I disagree with him on several points, isn’t the actual villain in this story: it’s WP Engine and Silver Lake."
Re: WordPress retaliation impacts community
#53This has gone on for far too long... while I don't use a paid/managed WP on my personal blog, I'm seriously considering dumping WP entirely and writing my own CMS for my personal blog.
I can't do that, given that I run an e-shop with a card payment system etc. on Wordpress/WooCommerce. The ecosystem of plugins is just too damn useful.
Re: WordPress retaliation impacts community
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been thinking about the alignment offer that Automattic has offered its employees. It’s hard for me to imagine any scenario at any company where I would not take the money and go. Six months of salary is a lot of money for just simply walking away. To be completely honest, after seeing everything that has transpired, I would be worried that the offer is just a lie, a way to out the detractors. I’m wondering if…
If you're a PHP developer with expertise in WordPress Automattic is pretty much your version of FAANG - I can totally understand why people wouldn't want to trade even six months salary for never being able to work there again.
I doubt Automattic is going to tank any time soon. I’d still bet at least a few employees are pondering certain money in hand today vs being the last one to turn off the lights on the way out. If you thought Matt’s decisions and behavior were disastrous, maybe it’d be better to leave now and get one of the other good jobs while they’re still available.
Re: WordPress retaliation impacts community
#55This is an interesting case of Dear Leader going haywire even outside of a real power context. No armies and billions of dollars involved.
It indicates that building a community not prone to self-destructive conflicts over bruised egos is a hard task even if its individual members are smart people.
Politics seems to be harder than tech to pull off right.
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#56This has gone on for far too long... while I don't use a paid/managed WP on my personal blog, I'm seriously considering dumping WP entirely and writing my own CMS for my personal blog.
If your blog isn't too complicated, consider Astro with markdown as your authoring experience. It's really delightful and blazing fast.
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#57I've been trying to wrap my head around why this feels so wrong. If the project had been run like this from the beginning, in an opinionated way that prioritizes what the few creators of the project think are important, then that's one thing. But it seems like Wordpress has generally been the stable, boring, slow-moving project that isn't run like a personal fiefdom, and Mullenweg is trying to force it from the one m…
It reminds me of Reddit cracking down on 3rd party apps or Twitter changing that policy and a whole lot more once Musk took over. The problem isn't necessarily the actions or policies in a vacuum. There are legitimate benefits to these approaches. The problem is it feels like these communities were built up around certain practices and there was no reason to expect those practices to change. So when there is a big ch…
I guess the moral of the story is that everything must be assumed to be bait-and-switch in the presence of capital interests.
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#58I've been trying to wrap my head around why this feels so wrong. If the project had been run like this from the beginning, in an opinionated way that prioritizes what the few creators of the project think are important, then that's one thing. But it seems like Wordpress has generally been the stable, boring, slow-moving project that isn't run like a personal fiefdom, and Mullenweg is trying to force it from the one m…
> Mullenweg is trying to force it from the one model to the other There are proper ways to do that, changing the license in a next version for example is how I think it should have been done in the first place. I've said it before here but this has all the markings of being extremely petty and Mullenweg not happy with their own licensing model.
> There are proper ways to do that, changing the license in a next version for example is how I think it should have been done in the first place.
WordPress is GPL because it is a fork of b2/cafelog:
https://wordpress.org/book/2015/11/the-blogging-software-dil...
Re: WordPress retaliation impacts community
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
He appears to have replaced the original post, which was a lot more ad hominem: https://archive.ph/UZZit
The post as it is now sounds really decent and a step in the right direction. Let's not air all the dirty laundry happening here, it looks like Matt is trying to do the "right" thing here. Here is the current iteration of that post from Matt: "I’ve taken this post down. I’ve been attacked so much the past few days; the most vicious, personal, hateful words poisoned my brain, and the original version of this post was…
but content is sacred right? /s
he can link to his original post and put the clarification alongside if that's the case. i can change my mind if his actions show he's trying to do "right", but that takes time. for me, it's very important to know that he was even capable of writing the original post.
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#60On the off-chance that Matt is doing the irresponsible thing here and still getting involved in social media discussions on this topic: People don't like being involved in drama, and as we saw with the Freenode debacle, when it starts up, the usual first reaction is to try to chart a path that lets them avoid the drama as much as possible. But when you demand that those people take sides, and pursue a scorched earth…
> People don't like being involved in drama, Which is kind of a weird thing, as people sure do love to sit back with their popcorn and watch the drama. There's entire TV networks dedicated to banality just like this.
It's not weird if you think about it.
How can you sit back and watch the drama if you're a part of it?