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Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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The Cillian Murphy reference seems off. He might have been too old when it was mandated in 1994, even though it was available earlier. Anyone know for sure?

He was born in '76, so it's possible his school was a trial school a few years earlier, but doesn't seem likely.

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> What he really wanted to close was the cultural gap between rich and poor This sounds great! > Then there is the financial aspect of TY: some parents just can’t afford it. oh for fuck's sake

It's an extra year of your kids at home, and potentially trips abroad. We couldn't afford the trip to France during my TY, so I skipped the trip, but did TY. While this was the '90s and my parents didn't earn enough to pay income tax, they were able to afford it for both myself and my sister, and I don't think they regret it for either of us.

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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> What he really wanted to close was the cultural gap between rich and poor This sounds great! > Then there is the financial aspect of TY: some parents just can’t afford it. oh for fuck's sake

Yep! Good extracurriculars are expensive. I remember taking part in Debate, MUN, XC, DECA, Wrestling, Quiz Bowl, Volunteering (NHS/CSF), and a bunch of Olympiads in HS and there was always a cost associated with participating (either a fee or the need to travel to the place hosting the EC). Unsurprisingly, this meant ECs would skew upper middle class and upper class. Sadly, these same ECs are also blockers for colleg…

That's not really how TY works in Ireland. It's about broadening horizons, not "extracurriculars".

Third level admissions have been done via a points system based on your top six Leaving Certificate (final second level exam) results for decades. It's an impersonal system, but at least fairer than most.

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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In Ireland -- with one kid in Junior Cert and one who did Junior Cert, then had an external Transition Year, then self studied for A levels, and one who's done home school/self study through GCSE and now doing A levels. It's an optional, definitely not universal thing. Not all schools offer it, and even then I get the impression that it's well less than half the students take the opportunity. The implementation is al…

What are A levels, by the way? I hear this a lot on British television but have no context.

The highest qualification you'll get from a school in the UK. Typically studied for between ages 16-18. They are the most common qualification used for university entry by students who go through the UK school system.

Unlike some other systems where students stud a broad spectrum of subjects (with core subjects like maths, english and science being compulsory), students typically only study 3 (or maybe 4) subjects a A level (with subjects being things like "maths", "geography", "chemistry", etc), with no compulsory subjects.

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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I was in one of the first years that did transition year, and it was almost nothing but good for me. It got me much more out of my shell and I was able to do subjects I wouldn't have been able to do otherwise. Art, in particular, thought there weren't enough subsequently in the senior cycle for me to continue with it, sadly. My work placements were fun in different ways: I worked in a electronics repair shop and lear…

I did transition year in 1996/1997, and I think we were only the second class to do it in my school. We took another European language for a year, and I did Art, Home Economics, Metalwork, and Woodworking classes that had no aptitude for and never would have picked for my leaving cert years. They were great and I learned skills that I still use. For my work placement, I worked in a folk instrument store and learned a…

That period of the '90s and early 2000s were a bit of a golden age when it came to education. I very much doubt I'd have been able to afford third level if it wasn't for when I went. The full grant and the fact that fees were abolished meant I could actually make ends meet. Didn't hurt that Cork was a pretty inexpensive place to go to college at the time! Second year was more of a struggle with money, but doable. If I could do anything regarding education, it'd be guaranteeing that same chance to people now that we had then.

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Sounds like a great idea. In England, I've seen education get consistently more rigid and inflexible over the years. All about tests, tests and more tests. Teachers leave the profession, children turn off. And as it consistently fails to produce better results, the answer is always to do more of what has failed. Bring something like this to England, please!

Sounds like Bill Gates has gotten a hold of your school system as well.

The world doesn't revolve around the US, you know...

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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20 years ago it was considered a 'doss year' (waste/screw-around etc.), and the general perception was that it was for those that require a little more time in the oven developmentally before proceeding to the next stage. I was a child then so I don't know if that was true, but certainly the majority of people who took it were not academically inclined.

So the article suggests that has changed - people who take the YT year get significantly higher results in their senior years.

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

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Are there any US parents here who strongly nudged their children to take a transition year? When my girl grows up I'm leaning towards that direction because I really wish someone would have suggested it for me when I was that age.

Re: Ireland's big school secret: how a year off-curriculum changes teenage lives

#90

20 years ago it was considered a 'doss year' (waste/screw-around etc.), and the general perception was that it was for those that require a little more time in the oven developmentally before proceeding to the next stage. I was a child then so I don't know if that was true, but certainly the majority of people who took it were not academically inclined.

So the article suggests that has changed - people who take the YT year get significantly higher results in their senior years.

Hard to split that from just age based improved performance though.
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