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Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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They didn't open source anything though. They shared some code under some restrictive license.

The "chilling" effect is still the same.

Right, and what we're "chilling" is using software in a way not consistent with its license.

That's good, IMO. Don't steal IP and you don't have to worry about getting caught for stealing IP. FYI: simply hiding the code doesn't fix the issue - disgruntled employees and whistleblowers do exist.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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All of this happened because the company didn't want to open source the code, they wanted to openwash it and get free labor from the open source community. If another company wants to do the same and they decide not to because of this, nothing of value is lost.

> they wanted to openwash it and get free labor from the open source community. This is such a ridiculous accusation. Why do discussions about source-available models often turn into accusations of soliciting free labor? Why can't authors just provide access to source code, but reserve some or all of the distribution rights? It's their code, after all. Nobody is forcing 'the open source community' to contribute under…

Llama Group laid off the team who had been working on Winamp and then released the source code under a license that bans users from distributing modified versions of the code themselves and assigns copyright on any contributions to Llama Group. IMO this absolutely points to them hoping that releasing the source code would let them offload Winamp maintenance onto the community.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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The troll issues are exactly why my OSS group does not use GitHub at all. It's become a toxic platform for quite awhile.

That's just the reality of any platform that doesn't gatekeep who gets to participate. Eventually assholes are going to join, that's simply unavoidable.

It's not just the gatekeeping, it's the fact that people collect stars and reputation on github because it's something that can be spent.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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We've lost a lot with the deletion of this repo. Not the code - that's already out in the ether - but the absurdist comedy of the issues, pull requests, and commit history of trying to piecemeal delete third party non-FOSS software.

Yeah, it really whipped the llama’s ass…

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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Sure, but then there's also the reality that people who don't want to deal with assholes and trolls will pack up and leave. So IMO it's best to combat it and not normalize it, so that we can have more nice things.

Use the report feature. I've gotten so many accounts removed from the platform for abuse. Sometimes I wonder though why GitHub allows like an anonymous account with no projects and no followers to do things like upload executables to my issue tracker, or file a dozen new issues on a project with 160+ watchers. Then there's the people who use AI to fill their profiles with fake content to look less sus. It's particula…

In the end they can say "x monthly users" so they're complicit.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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> they wanted to openwash it and get free labor from the open source community. This is such a ridiculous accusation. Why do discussions about source-available models often turn into accusations of soliciting free labor? Why can't authors just provide access to source code, but reserve some or all of the distribution rights? It's their code, after all. Nobody is forcing 'the open source community' to contribute under…

Llama Group laid off the team who had been working on Winamp and then released the source code under a license that bans users from distributing modified versions of the code themselves and assigns copyright on any contributions to Llama Group. IMO this absolutely points to them hoping that releasing the source code would let them offload Winamp maintenance onto the community.

That's entirely speculation. They could just as well be winding down the project entirely, which has happened before.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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Llama Group laid off the team who had been working on Winamp and then released the source code under a license that bans users from distributing modified versions of the code themselves and assigns copyright on any contributions to Llama Group. IMO this absolutely points to them hoping that releasing the source code would let them offload Winamp maintenance onto the community.

That's entirely speculation. They could just as well be winding down the project entirely, which has happened before.

It's not speculation. Someone claiming to have been an employee posted a comment to the article. It's impossible to verify, but personally I have no problem believing it played out as they say.

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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> they wanted to openwash it and get free labor from the open source community. This is such a ridiculous accusation. Why do discussions about source-available models often turn into accusations of soliciting free labor? Why can't authors just provide access to source code, but reserve some or all of the distribution rights? It's their code, after all. Nobody is forcing 'the open source community' to contribute under…

What is the point of 'open source' where you're not even allowed to fork the damn repo?

In case of security sensitive software, you could verify the security claims.

Look at Apple, they claim E2EE, but don't even allow to verify that defeating the purpose of E2EE entirely (lack of need to trust the provider)

Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks

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Didn't the original version of their license state that you weren't allowed to do anything with the code, including forking it? It was "source available" but you're not even allowed to make a local copy of the code to look at it. People as a whole don't mind source available, Louis Rossman's FUTO's software is all source available and while they got a small minority of FOSS diehards complaining about it, they're doin…

To me, this seems to be a misunderstanding of the license text and the author's intent. The original license simply reserved all distribution rights. People assumed you couldn't even fork into a public GitHub repo in order to make pull requests, but afaict, the author clarified that the intent was not to prevent forking on GitHub, but to prevent redistribution of the forked software instead of contributing the change…

How the hell do you combine "open source" and "all distribution rights are reserved for the original developer"? That's a nonsensical combination, the whole point of open source is that you can make your own copy with your own changes and distribute it to people
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