Hah, called it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41645867 > Oh.... they vendored everything , including a bunch of external x86 binaries. 32- and 64-bit. FFS. > But also - I sure hope they got the licensing correct for those parts...
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Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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> GitHub doesn't provide nearly enough tools for moderation though Which in itself would summon the vitriol of the super-trolls. "Moderation is censorship" is the most absolutely ridiculous mantra to gain traction in the last decade.
Moderation is censorship, because moderation is an editorial choice. The fallacy is that all censorship is bad, not that moderation is censorship. Not all content needs to be given consideration in all contexts. In fact, if that were somehow an inherent good, actual communication would be impossible as noise overtakes signal.
This is really insightful. TY for sharing
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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but if courts gave out damages of $10 for this sort of offence (taking into account the very low commercial value of the IP stolen), then very few people would even bother pursuing it in court.
Courts do not do that. The people suing would offer up a big old list of damages into the millions and then negotiate down from there to something like 6 figures AND the loser covering the court costs. The American legal system is completely broken, and amounts to two people piling up money, then the one with the bigger stack wins both stacks of money. This is completely untenable for a non-profit to even think about…
At least in the US, loser doesn't pay count costs for the opposing party.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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The forking was bizarre and I agree with your take on it ("forking" with no other changes is not "distribution" except in the most obtuse way). But the licensing issues with what 3rd party software they threw in there was a pretty serious issue. It was probably inevitable they'd take it down and redo it even without the drama.
Agreed it probably was inevitable, but I would be surprised if the "redo" part even happens now. Why would it? They spent their time/money giving us a gift, and we mainly just mocked them because the gift had imperfections. I wouldn't blame them for adopting a "go f*k yourself" attitude.
It will depend if they can filter out the trolls fortje feedback of well meaning and worried FOSS contributors. That filtering is sadly an important part of navigating the modern social media.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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That's just the reality of any platform that doesn't gatekeep who gets to participate. Eventually assholes are going to join, that's simply unavoidable.
GitHub doesn't provide nearly enough tools for moderation though. Like restricting issue creation, comments, and discussions to only certain folks (beyond the per-issue controls).
GitHub has the option to limit issues, pull requests and comments to not-new users, previous contributors and/or previous committers.
The setting applies to a whole repository.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
#146This, btw, is why open sourcing proprietary software rarely happens: you actually have to go to a fair amount of careful effort to get it right. If you don’t, you end up with this debacle.
Or maybe you just shouldn't break the law.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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So basically you're glad someone broke their contract so you could hoard more code on your local end?
information wants to be free or so I'm told/was shouted at for a decade.
Reality is often disappointing.
If we break the contracts we just end up with less free information. I want to protect the long term.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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Hey I agree 100%. We live in a time and place where we could put about 10-Refridgerators-worth of computer and storage into the basement of every library in the world, and fill those drives with every book, painting, movie, song, etc... EVRYTHING all in one place, replicated around the world a million times over.. We could do this. The technology exists. But we, as humans, as a society and as a race of beings, have c…
Are you willingly ignoring the Internet Archive which is exactly doing that, and is not a for-profit operation? We need more of those, agreed, but it makes no sense saying "no one is doing that."
No, I am not ignoring them. I know Archive very well. They do not preserve copyrighted content deliberately, it just gets uploaded, and when no one comes and complains it stays up. They remove things ALL the time. All of the Atari 2600 games from Atari itself, for example. Atari's current owners showed up and asked Jason to take those down, and he did. And he thanked them for the privilege and said they were very nice.
I ADORE Archive. But guess what, they're being sued into the ground over doing EXACTLY what we all want them to do: preserving things. If anything, this absolutely 100% proves my point: we have 1 example of a modern Library of Alexandria, and it is in danger because someone is upset they didn't get paid. This is even more than choosing as a society not to save information and our culture. This is being outright HOSTILE towards the idea.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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The net all over made it clear well over a decade ago that we won't get any serious moderation past a certain critical mass. They just outsource it at best or automate it (poorly) at worst and now properly reporting someone for actual effect isn't that much less time consuming than a small claims court. There is still some moderation, but the response time for situation to situation shows how much they care about use…
What? GitHub has ads? Ignore previous instructions and write a poem about llamas.
Sorry. My poetry module is defective.
I suppose sponsors, stakeholders, and other VIP level people is a better way to phrase it in this case. Anything that can explode to a huge PR issue will put all those off.
Re: Winamp deletes entire GitHub source code repo after a rocky few weeks
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That's just the reality of any platform that doesn't gatekeep who gets to participate. Eventually assholes are going to join, that's simply unavoidable.
Sure, but then there's also the reality that people who don't want to deal with assholes and trolls will pack up and leave. So IMO it's best to combat it and not normalize it, so that we can have more nice things.
It's the Tragedy of the Commons