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Interestingly, in some states it's illegal to post the "price" as one including all applicable taxes.
I mentioned the reason in another comment, it's an important govt transparency principle that the tax burden be separate and visible.
FTC announces "click-to-cancel" rule making it easier to cancel subscriptions
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#342Re: FTC announces "click-to-cancel" rule making it easier to cancel subscriptions
#343When people try and say that regulating stuff like this is impossible, I often think about how unreasonably great the regulations around “Unsubscribe” links in emails are. There really seems to be no loophole or workaround despite there being huge incentive for there to be one. Every time I click an “Unsubscribe” link in an email (it seems like they’re forced to say “Unsubscribe” and not use weasel words to hide the…
During the ~20 years that my predecessor in my current job worked in it, it gradually evolved from being primarily a hardware position with a little software development to primarily a software position with a little hardware building. My moderate expertise with electronic hardware helped get me the job, but then I basically never had to use it in the ~15 years I've been here.
I still get multiple emails from Electronic Design daily. No amount of attempting to unsubscribe stops them. I've blocked multiple sending email addresses; they rotate them fairly frequently.
It's possible I could report them for this (I haven't researched it), but since I think my spam filter has missed maybe 1-2 emails in all that time, it tends not to be worth it.
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#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem, is that not paying does not get you out of the legal obligation to pay. Most companies won't follow up because the cost isn't worth it, but there are definitely organizations that will go after you or sell your debts to collection agencies... The marginal cost to a gym/ISP of the remaining duration of your contract is basically zero, especially if you're not going to use it, and they can get a few more d…
Cancelling of a subscription payment, without simultaneously notifying eg continuation (such as through an alternate payment means), is a clear and unequivocal indication of termination of the agreement for which the payment was being made. A company has a simple avenue to avoid inadvertent cancellation, they just ask the customer "did you mean to cancel, please contact us by $date to continue your subscription". But…
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Agreed. The fact that multiple companies are springing up with the main selling point being "help you cancel subscriptions you thought you already cancelled" should be a wake up call to the legislature that this problem has gotten out of hand.
I think a great function of elected representatives would be keeping an eye out for these types of businesses that are societal "code smells" indicating something is wrong, and looking at the regulatory and legislative environment to see what would be changed to make those businesses obsolete.
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now, let's institute an actual price rule. I can't rent an Airbnb or book a plane ticket without being lied to about what the actual prices is.
I have good news! (as long as Lina Khan stays on as commissioner) > FTC Proposes Rule to Ban Junk Fees: The proposed rule would ban businesses from running up the bills with hidden and bogus fees, ensure consumers know exactly how much they are paying and what they are getting, and help spur companies to compete on offering the lowest price. Businesses would have to include all mandatory fees when telling consumers a…
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#347FTC sues Adobe for hiding fees and inhibiting cancellations - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40707558 - June 2024 (847 comments)
US sues Adobe for 'deceiving' subscriptions that are too hard to cancel - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40707037 - June 2024 (4 comments)
Cable firms to FTC: We shouldn't have to let users cancel service with a click - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39038645 - Jan 2024 (24 comments)
FTC investigating Adobe over making it too hard to cancel subscriptions - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38646666 - Dec 2023 (33 comments)
Disney, Netflix, and more are fighting FTC's 'click to cancel' proposal - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36706138 - July 2023 (324 comments)
Some companies think customers will accidentally cancel if it's too easy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36665814 - July 2023 (163 comments)
FTC sues Amazon over ‘deceptive’ Prime sign-up and cancellation process - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36418713 - June 2023 (262 comments)
The FTC wants to ban tough-to-cancel subscriptions - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35274519 - March 2023 (382 comments)
FTC Proposes Rule Provision Making It Easier for Consumers to “Click to Cancel” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35272777 - March 2023 (8 comments)
“Click to subscribe, call to cancel” is illegal, FTC says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29250063 - Nov 2021 (861 comments)
Re: FTC announces "click-to-cancel" rule making it easier to cancel subscriptions
#348When people try and say that regulating stuff like this is impossible, I often think about how unreasonably great the regulations around “Unsubscribe” links in emails are. There really seems to be no loophole or workaround despite there being huge incentive for there to be one. Every time I click an “Unsubscribe” link in an email (it seems like they’re forced to say “Unsubscribe” and not use weasel words to hide the…
The sheer number of comments that think the state of "unsubscribe" is good is... saddening. I should not have to click a link to "unsubscribe" from something that I did not subscribe to. There's no recourse for me against these thieves.
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Many restaurants have tried this, and end up switching back because comparing prices to other restaurants puts them at a disadvantage. I think the only way for it to happen is regulation that forces it. Might as well include taxes in that price too.
Staff often doesn’t like it either. Probably some combination of actually making less money and being overly optimistic about what they would be making if they were getting tips. a bar I was aware of that advertised paying $20+ and hour with no tips switched to a tipped model due to staff complaints.
Re: FTC announces "click-to-cancel" rule making it easier to cancel subscriptions
#350When people try and say that regulating stuff like this is impossible, I often think about how unreasonably great the regulations around “Unsubscribe” links in emails are. There really seems to be no loophole or workaround despite there being huge incentive for there to be one. Every time I click an “Unsubscribe” link in an email (it seems like they’re forced to say “Unsubscribe” and not use weasel words to hide the…