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Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by usr1106 »

seestem wrote: post #25
Cheer2171 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already exists. IA has had a DWeb for 6 years. Nobody seeds it.

Incentivising seeding is hard. Maybe cryptocurrencies can be useful here, but I understand not everyone likes them especially here on HN. In retrospect the ideal setup would have been if archiving was included into the core HTTP protocol.

Maybe someone can invent a proof of seeding protocol? So that would bring some good to the public instead of just burning energy. Don't ask me how it would work...

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Cheer2171 wrote: post #26
seestem wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incentivising seeding is hard. Maybe cryptocurrencies can be useful here, but I understand not everyone likes them especially here on HN. In retrospect the ideal setup would have been if archiving was included into the core HTTP protocol.

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Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by imglorp »

adambb wrote: post #21
tiffanyh wrote: post #10

I thought Cloudflare was going to provide "Always Online" access to Internet Archive https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-always-online-and-th...

Other way around! Cloudflare can optionally load your site from IA if it's down.

If that's the case, I hope CF is making a big, periodic, donation to IA for the business value provided.

Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by greenie_beans »

seestem wrote: post #25
Cheer2171 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already exists. IA has had a DWeb for 6 years. Nobody seeds it.

Incentivising seeding is hard. Maybe cryptocurrencies can be useful here, but I understand not everyone likes them especially here on HN. In retrospect the ideal setup would have been if archiving was included into the core HTTP protocol.

i'm doubtful that whatever crypto incentive that is offered will make up the cost for me to DIY this in my home. which is why crypto miners scale, making crypto a centralized system. i don't care what the latest white paper says, it is still controlled by few people and not decentralized. in the same way that the ussr replicated the centralization of american capitalism, crypto replicates the centralization of trust while marketed as something else.

Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by diggan »

imglorp wrote: post #55
adambb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other way around! Cloudflare can optionally load your site from IA if it's down.

If that's the case, I hope CF is making a big, periodic, donation to IA for the business value provided.

Ideally, CF would keep track of exactly how many redirects they do to IA, and donate based on the usage. Would be more fair for everyone involved.

Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by diggan »

lukas099 wrote: post #29
Cheer2171 wrote: post #9

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You say this as if it is an original idea. Of course the IA is working on this and have been for over 6 years. There already is a DWeb version. They have been advancing DWeb infrastructure. The IA hosts all kinds of DWeb developer events. But it is over 50 petabytes and the IA gets a huge amount of traffic through the regular web that they need to serve quickly and efficiently to their users. Guess what has happened…

If I help seed this DWeb and it turns out it has some copyrighted materials in it, will I be potentially held liable?

You're always responsible for what you, yourself and your computer does. There is a chance EFF/some other organization could help you out in case you end up in court, but that's a maybe, not a guarantee.

Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by tomrod »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #9
seestem wrote: post #2

It would be better if the Internet Archive was decentralized without a central point of failure, maybe run on something like bittorent.

You say this as if it is an original idea. Of course the IA is working on this and have been for over 6 years. There already is a DWeb version. They have been advancing DWeb infrastructure. The IA hosts all kinds of DWeb developer events. But it is over 50 petabytes and the IA gets a huge amount of traffic through the regular web that they need to serve quickly and efficiently to their users. Guess what has happened…

You're describing a network effects problem, specifically a collaborative game failure. Need some mechanism designers and big tech cos to jump in, stat!

Re: The Internet Archive is back online

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Post by joenot443 »

imglorp wrote: post #55
adambb wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other way around! Cloudflare can optionally load your site from IA if it's down.

If that's the case, I hope CF is making a big, periodic, donation to IA for the business value provided.

My intuition is that there's a mutually beneficial deal hammered out behind the scenes and that CF isn't just eating poor IA's lunch.
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