#BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban • Hacker News Board

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by davidpayne11 » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 3:52 PM UTC

raganesh wrote: post #191

wtvanhest wrote: post #184

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It is completely reasonable to investigate bribery where there is a perceived unreasonable decision and a heavy financial motive. Individuals working at large companies do bribe people in a variety of situations. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/business/wal-mart-bribery-...

Okay. Let me qualify my point. I find it hard to believe such a high profile bribery can happen in the US (the article you have posted is a case of bribery by an American company in Mexico). And given Apple's profile and a lot of entities already pursuing their case (ex: NYT's iEconomy series), they would never do such a big blunder.

1) Looking at your previous comment, you are an Apple fanboy. So you probably know NOTHING about what's happening here and you just want to support apple for Fuck's sake.

2)You don't live in the US. So keep your hard-to-believe's to yourself.

3) Read 1) again.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by Terretta » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 3:53 PM UTC

ralfn wrote: post #131

molmalo wrote: post #65

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Well, yes, you are right with this in that both will continue to manufacture and litigate each other... Surely, efforts would be better directed against the broken system that is being gamed by those companies, instead of dividing consumer forces, you know: Apple fans vs Google fans vs Microsoft fans vs x Other fans.... It would be much better to have everybody in action vs Broken Patent System.

It is generally acknowledged that Apple is at the offense. Google hasnt used IP laws in any way other than defensive. Microsoft strategy is more interesting: they dont block products but rather use liscense fees that are slightly less than the costs of going to court against Microsoft. Eventhough, their patents are hard to enforce, and likely wouldnt win, its irrelevant. So, to compare the behavior to other industrie…

Apple wasn't playing the game, and got attacked by smartphone incumbents and their proxies. Apple countered, and is indeed pressing the counterattack.

As an aside, Samsung's slavish cargo cult aping of Apple designs is unnecessary. They could come up with non look alike packaging or connectors, for example, but they are deliberately imitating down to the last detail, even in their TV commercials. This across the board play signals an intent, and may be influencing judges as much as the arguments. Could be why the coin flip court cases seem more often than not to land Apple's way.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by jusben1369 » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 3:56 PM UTC

franzus wrote: post #77

In other news: Katie and Tom are getting a divorce ... Thank you google plus.

Wait they are? Why wasn't that posted on HN? I'm off to TMZ......

In other news - it matters to Apple. Those that say it doesn't say that simply because they want to believe it doesn't matter to Apple. Who knows the exact day MSFT went from an exciting scrappy start up helping to put a PC in everyone's home and taking on the likes of IBM to the despised Death Star. I don't know - but it always starts with a change in public perception from doer of good to capitalist money hogging evil guy. It always catches the corporation off guard because they haven't really changed any business practises - it's just suddenly they're now Goliath and no longer David in the public eye.

I can see Apple winning the battle and losing the war here.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by vibrunazo » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 3:57 PM UTC

coopdog wrote: post #134

lnanek2 wrote: post #116

Wow, so people who want to buy Samsung instead of Apple anyway are going to boycott Apple? Apple is quaking in their boots, I'm sure.

I was actually thinking of buying a Mac for the first time just last week, even after being outraged by the Galaxy Tab 10.1 thing. They have good hardware and it's Linuxy, but thank you Apple for acting sooner with this Nexus rubbish rather than later.. So there you go, an actual sale lost and I'll remember this for a long, long time

Same here. Up to last week I was actively looking to buy a Macbook Air. Was gonna actually buy it next month. If this happened a month later, I would own a mac product. Now I'm officially boycotting apple. I'll have to contend myself with a worse product because of social activism. Apple is making the world a worse place. I won't give them my money.

The comments about "they're all doing the same" are extremely close minded. No, they're not all the same. Look up context and who is defending instead of attacking. If microsoft and apple didn't start this. We wouldn't be in this whole mess in the first place.

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Post by Terretta » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:00 PM UTC

przemelek wrote: post #195

calinet6 wrote: post #174

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So, the takeaway is, "Damn, Apple is good at this capitalism game."

Nope ;-) Problem with Apple is that if all players will play using Apple strategy we will not have any innovation at all. Motorola, Nokia, Samsung invested billions in mobile technology without knowing if this will even work, they risked and created cell phones and so on. They had big invest, big risk and at the end big win. Apple didn't take any risk, they simply polished existing products and started to sell it wit…

> Apple didn't take any risk, they simply polished existing products and started to sell it with much higher price tag.

This comment invalidates everything else you wrote.

Apple's investment in R&D for mobile handheld usability and devices predates even the existence of some of these litigants, and predates the "smartphones" by them.

Re: #BoycottApple trending on Google plus due to Galaxy Nexus ban

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Post by vibrunazo » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:00 PM UTC

siglesias wrote: post #190

itp wrote: post #185

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I'm not sure what that has to do with the most recent injunction against the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The judge issued the injunction on the strength of U.S. Patent 8,086,604, which "provides convenient access to items of information that are related to various descriptors input by a user, by means of a unitary interface which is capable of accessing information in a variety of locations, through a number of different t…

I don't feel that this lawsuit is specifically over the four patents in question and only the four patents in question. It's punishment (in the game theoretical sense) for Samsung's institutional attitude. Obviously the discourse here has taken on import beyond the purely legal realities and into a more moral conversation about right and wrong. Morally speaking, I feel that many of Samsung's design decisions are wron…

That's classic ad hominem 101. "It doesn't matter if what you're doing is wrong or not. You... you.. you're dirty! And a jew! You should get sued!"

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Post by Terretta » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:01 PM UTC

CrazedGeek wrote: post #240

Terretta wrote: post #233

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No, check the timeline history. Apple did not start this. The smartphone incumbents did, after Apple started eating all the profits.

Can you point to a specific case? From what I can tell, the first two major cases were Nokia v. Apple and Apple v. HTC, in October 2009 and March 2010, respectively (and Nokia's not really part of the current kerfuffle of suits).

Months ago I outlined the history with cases here in long comments. I'll look it up again and comment here later today or tomorrow.

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Post by mc32 » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:03 PM UTC

koide wrote: post #225

its_so_on wrote: post #210

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This isn't a corrupt country (there is a specific list of corrupt countries, this is a pretty objective statement.) It makes 0 sense for you to post "how far you got" as you didn't get anywhere.

The fact that a country as a whole is relatively non corrupt doesn't say anything about specific people and their corruptibility. Also, the U.S.A. is number 24 of around 180 countries on the Corruption Perceptions Index and appears below countries such as Bahamas, Chile or Qatar.

I'd be a little skeptical of an index which shows Japan as being relatively less corrupt than the US. If one were to read up on Japan, it's clear that for a first world country, it's rather corrupt --not the same way, say Indis is corrupt, but still, I feel more so than the US, specifically.

Dogs and Demons (A. Kerr) is filled with instances how corruption has contributed to massive misallocation of resources, coverups of environmental contamination, political favoritism, cronyism, etc. resulting in the paralysis which afflicts Japan.

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Post by vibrunazo » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:14 PM UTC

raganesh wrote: post #180

shawnee_ wrote: post #169

Something about Koh's overwhelming bias for Apple seems really suspicious. It's one thing to preeminently ban sales of product A for reason X, but to also ban sales of product B for reason Y where products A and B have the same parent, and where reasons X and Y are completely unrelated? Something is wrong with this picture. What else could be going on? Maybe I have a cynical view of humanity, but I spent a few minute…

If you are accusing her of bribery, that is a very serious allegation. Imagine if such a thing happens and is eventually exposed. What a scandal would it be. I don't think any large company, let alone Apple, would want to be involved in any such mess.

Corruption isn't as straight forward simple as Hollywood movies make it out be "Here take this dollars and do this for me". It's usually a complex net of interests and favors trading, that's really hard to prove. Maybe someone at apple just happen to contribute to someone's political campaign, who is proposing legislation that just so happens would benefit the judge's family business. This level of corruption happens every day, everywhere in the planet. People are trading favors as we speak.

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Post by anextio » Sun, Jul 01, 2012, 4:23 PM UTC

rsheridan6 wrote: post #162

briandear wrote: post #113

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The average person doesn't care. I'm in this industry and I barely care. Watching Google and Apple is like watching NBA players scuffling over the last bottle of champagne. The average person just wants to use their phone, update their Facebook and find out what Snooki is up too. A boycot organized on a site that the muggles have barely heard of over an issue that they don't give two shits about isn't going to affect…

True, but developers are more likely to care, and they matter a lot more than the average user. A lot of developers preferred not to use Microsoft products when MS was the evil empire, and there would probably be an MS monopoly now if they hadn't.

No, developers don't matter more than the average user, and that fact is the reason Apple sells so many of their products.