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Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by Eumenes »

thisislife2 wrote: post #470
Eumenes wrote: post #66

This is obvious at a number of these big box consulting firms for many years (Tata, Cognizant, HCL, Capgemini). Its so easy to verify too - go on linkedin and comb through dozens of search results of exclusively Indians (I'm not talking about American-Indians who go to undergrad in the US like every other person). These firms also take a lions share of the h1b visas which is another conversation - why does India get…

> why does India get to have 75% of all h1b visas? Seems not very diverse. I'd wager it's a deliberate US state policy. It's because we indians are good immigrants - whether it be US, Europe or the middle-east, we tend to respect (even if we necessarily don't like) the local culture and laws and try to avoid trouble and be good citizens (often better than in our own country :). And the US is a country built by immigr…

> I'd wager it's a deliberate US state policy.

Exactly. If India sided with America's enemies, those visas would go bye-bye. The money being made in the US, being sent back to India, probably represents a good chunk of GDP.

See Australia. George Bush gave them a sweetheart visa deal in return for their support in the middle east in the early 2000s post 9-11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_visa#History

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by psd1 »

lupusreal wrote: post #434
bryanlarsen wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is planning on surrendering to Russia. (There's no other way to "end the war in a day"). That's a massive signal of weakness to America's adversaries.

America is not at war with Russia, yet.

America is not in a hot war with Russia. You are in an information war and you're taking a beating.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by KwisatzHaderack »

lupusreal wrote: post #320
hshshshsvsv wrote: post #270

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I've never seen let alone worked in a team that only had white people. Not once. I've never seen nor heard of a team that only had Japanese or Koreans or Russians or any other singular group except two: Chinese and Indians. These two groups have a unique tendency to form ethnically exclusive teams at companies and get away with it.

Since we're sharing anecdotes here.

Around 2012, I attended the very first coding bootcamp in SF. We had a demo day and a (white) recruiter from a local start-up came and literally only talked to every one of the white students (in a class that was half white) but none of the non-white students. Not a single one. When walking by a table with a non-white student, he would just said "excuse me" and squeezed pass. I looked up the company's website later and it was a 50-ish person start-up that was all white males, except 1 Asian girl who was a PM.

Now, I'm sure the people at this start-up would probably not think of themselves as "racist" (especially in liberal SF) even though this recruiter behaved in a racially exclusive way. But it really goes to show how subconscious these instincts are. This is why it's unfair to single out Indians/Chinese in this case as the only ones who have an in-group bias; every group has an in-group bias if we're really being honest here.

Having said that, the best tech teams I've worked in have been very diverse. They were high performant, but also had a great deal of trust in each other. I think it's because every one knows every one else is a high performer and trust each other's judgment. Nobody is just here because they "just gel with the vibes" and playing group-politics, which sometimes falls on racial lines.

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Post by valval »

ljsprague wrote: post #466
sien wrote: post #400

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It's so weird. Why didn't big tech companies fight tooth and nail to get Asian recognised as a minority so they could then turn around and say look 'We employ minorities at a rate way higher than other companies' ?

We all realize what a scam all of this is, right?

DEI? I’d hope so, but somewhat half of the population seems oblivious.

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

matrix87 wrote: post #417
simfree wrote: post #407

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Indian communities in the US can often be clanish, and self-segregate to specific areas of a neighborhood or town. You can see this in action on the eastside of Lake Washington, always fun to get glared at for being at the wrong block in Samamish, or the wrong (or sometimes right) condo building in Bellevue. Do not bring a dog! You will get solid stares, does not matter how said dog behaves or what local policy is. S…

I'm not really holding any of that against them because moving to a new country with a different culture is hard

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Post by nitwit005 »

dartharva wrote: post #437
nitwit005 wrote: post #419

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You may be right, but that has basically nothing to do with sidelining and firing non-Indians.

Of course it does. If it is all but definite that you are not going to stay, why would you not just optimize everything for your short-term comfort or preference, sacrificing long-term benefit?

People openly racist, and also happy to break the law, probably aren't going to integrate well regardless of policy.

Re: Cognizant found guilty of discriminating against non-Indian employees

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Post by hnbad »

fakedang wrote: post #467
hnbad wrote: post #458

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I'm not sure what the tweet has to do with your question. To your question: I'm referring to modern Western racism which is built on the scientific racism that became popular when there were economic incentives to explain why chattel slavery is okay when you do it with some people when it's otherwise not okay to do with others. This was downstream from a massive need for cheap labor in the colonies to produce exotic…

> I don't know why you're asking for an explanation of random unsourced and unqualified historical factoids (without mentioning e.g. which harems, which courts, where and in what time period, which seem kind of important specifics when using vague generalisations like "largely") - maybe ask whoever you learned that from unless you're "just asking questions". I literally said Ottoman and Mamlukian harems. There was on…

That's the only thing you felt the need to elaborate on? Okay, so I guess you're "just asking questions" then.
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