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Post by sbuk »

polymatter wrote: post #119
sbuk wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...instead of being nice..." There is the problem. Apple is a business, it doesn't exist for altruistic reasons. Neither does Google, no matter how vehemently they say that they do. As others have pointed out, there doesn't seem to be a boycott on Google for their part in the attempt to gain an import ban of the XBox or their support of the alleged abuse of FRAND patents, both by their newly acquired subsidiary. App…

> "Apple is a business, it doesn't exist for altruistic reasons." While true in a strictly short term sense, not being "nice" is the sort of thing that erodes your brand image. One too many of these sorts of stories stick in a consumers head to create a generally negative image, which can be extremely hard to reverse (see Scoda). And for a luxury company like Apple, brand image is everything.

So it's ok for Google to lie and steal? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/google-caught-pil... A far, far worse abuse of trust wouldn't you say? as was a serving member of a board of directors not initially declaring a conflict of interest. This will be, as we say in the UK, tomorrows fish and chip paper.

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Post by wtvanhest »

raganesh wrote: post #191
wtvanhest wrote: post #184

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It is completely reasonable to investigate bribery where there is a perceived unreasonable decision and a heavy financial motive. Individuals working at large companies do bribe people in a variety of situations. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/business/wal-mart-bribery-...

Okay. Let me qualify my point. I find it hard to believe such a high profile bribery can happen in the US (the article you have posted is a case of bribery by an American company in Mexico). And given Apple's profile and a lot of entities already pursuing their case (ex: NYT's iEconomy series), they would never do such a big blunder.

The reason it is hard to believe is that people question decisions like the one made and are willing to investigate without government help. While it is unlikely, it should still be questioned.

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Post by calinet6 »

przemelek wrote: post #195
calinet6 wrote: post #174

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So, the takeaway is, "Damn, Apple is good at this capitalism game."

Nope ;-) Problem with Apple is that if all players will play using Apple strategy we will not have any innovation at all. Motorola, Nokia, Samsung invested billions in mobile technology without knowing if this will even work, they risked and created cell phones and so on. They had big invest, big risk and at the end big win. Apple didn't take any risk, they simply polished existing products and started to sell it wit…

Completely agree, the system should be fixed, and the act itself is wrong. But here I'm separating morally wrong from winning the objective game.

You might be mad if your team doesn't win the game, but you can't say the winner wasn't the better player. But I understand your frustration when the field has no rules and the referees are corrupt. Unfortunately, those factors are part of this game.

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Post by tedunangst »

buro9 wrote: post #29
mryall wrote: post #19

More interesting than a bunch of chatter on Google Plus is this article on Forbes, "Could Steve Jobs actually win his thermonuclear war?": http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/30/could-steve-jobs-actu... I don't think this will be the last of Apple's actions against Android. When Steve said they'd "patented the hell out of" the iPhone, I got the sense he really wasn't joking.

They've patented the hell out of everything that they've done in the last decade with the iPhone, but the very foundations that they stand on have been patented the hell out of by Motorola, Ericsson, Nokia, etc for the decades prior. Standing on someone else's foundations isn't the best place from which to start a thermonuclear patent war.

But if those patents are part of necessary standards, they're required to license them to Apple. Apple is not required to license any of its UI patents to competitors.

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Post by cooldeal »

raganesh wrote: post #175
recoiledsnake wrote: post #165

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I am sorry, but given your submission history I find it hard to believe that you are not aware of the fact that Apple started suing Motorola in Germany first. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/apple-is-also-suing-motor...

I do follow the patent law suites. In case of Apple vs. Motorola, it was in fact Motorola that set the ball rolling with its first suit in October 2010 in the US. It was the same fight over the same set of patents that has spilled over into German courts.

That's simply not true.

http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-moto...

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Post by cgranade »

mitchty wrote: post #152
coopdog wrote: post #134

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I was actually thinking of buying a Mac for the first time just last week, even after being outraged by the Galaxy Tab 10.1 thing. They have good hardware and it's Linuxy, but thank you Apple for acting sooner with this Nexus rubbish rather than later.. So there you go, an actual sale lost and I'll remember this for a long, long time

So then you're boycotting Motorola and Google products as well because they had a similar injunction against Apple in Germany right? If not why? I find it amusing how emotional tech people get over these patent wars. Its one companies legal team versus the other over legalities and trivialities. If you looked at how often car companies sued each other over look and feel patents you would realize the whole thing is a…

"Evaluate technology for its tech, not for the company's legal team."

No. Doing so means that I can become complicit in legal actions that ultimately hurt me as a consumer by providing companies like Apple with the revenue they need to fund such attacks. One must consider the legal actions, the social actions, etc. of a company when buying their products; it's part of being a responsible and long-term self-interested consumer.

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Post by raganesh »

cooldeal wrote: post #205
raganesh wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do follow the patent law suites. In case of Apple vs. Motorola, it was in fact Motorola that set the ball rolling with its first suit in October 2010 in the US. It was the same fight over the same set of patents that has spilled over into German courts.

That's simply not true. http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/08/proof-apple-attacked-moto...

Same blog, earlier article: http://www.fosspatents.com/2010/12/apple-vs-motorola-now-42-...

Motorola filed the first suit.

Even in the article you have linked, the author says "...why my position is that Apple attacked Motorola even though Motorola technically won the race to the courthouse". Irrespective of what the author thinks went in the background, he admits Motorola filed the suit first.

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Post by aliukani »

saalweachter wrote: post #151
calinet6 wrote: post #141

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Well if you put it that way, why the hell would Apple not try to get this injunction? Any public company in their right mind should take advantage of this sort of market advantage. The legal/patent system that allows this is broken, that's certain. But can we really blame Apple for using it to their advantage? It's sort of genius. Evil genius, but still...

Yes. I'd prefer to just leave the post at that, but to make a bit more of a contribution to discussion, fiduciary duty is a myth invented sometime in the 70s or 80s. No one has ever been sued for not maximizing the profits of the company the run. A corporation doesn't have to be evil, even if being evil were more profitable than being good. They can just choose to be less profitable and no one cares. Given the choice…

> They can just choose to be less profitable and no one cares.

The shareholders might.

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Post by its_so_on »

shawnee_ wrote: post #169

Something about Koh's overwhelming bias for Apple seems really suspicious. It's one thing to preeminently ban sales of product A for reason X, but to also ban sales of product B for reason Y where products A and B have the same parent, and where reasons X and Y are completely unrelated? Something is wrong with this picture. What else could be going on? Maybe I have a cynical view of humanity, but I spent a few minute…

This isn't a corrupt country (there is a specific list of corrupt countries, this is a pretty objective statement.) It makes 0 sense for you to post "how far you got" as you didn't get anywhere.
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