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Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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ordu wrote: post #85
ants_everywhere wrote: post #40

My understanding of the situation (which may be wrong, in which case please let me know) is that physics is stuck at a local optimum. There are two obvious ways to get out (1) Surprising physical observations, or (2) Mathematical advances Way (1) is what kicked off quantum mechanics. Way (2) is what kicked off Newtonian mechanics. I see string theorists and loop quantum gravity people as working on (2). Their models…

> physics is stuck at a local optimum. I think I heard somewhere that the trouble with string theory is it can describe anything if you tune it just in a right way. It reminds me of epicycles, they also had this property, you can add more and more epicycles to describe literally any observation data. > Way (1) is what kicked off quantum mechanics. Way (2) is what kicked off Newtonian mechanics. Hmm... What was the wa…

Everett proposed that observation happens relative to observer, it's exactly Copernicus's observation. Some people buy it, many don't, so I guess heliocentric style thinking is still counterintuitive. Ironically, an argument against Everett's interpretation is the same Aristotle used against heliocentrism: "it's not supported by observation" (meaning relativity is unobservable).

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by gradschoolfail »

082349872349872 wrote: post #150
carapace wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some secrets keep themselves.

> "The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper." —EP

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)?

[and not awards or nobel prizes: “A good sciencing is its own reward” - not Faora-Ul]

(EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #232
082349872349872 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper." —EP

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)? [and not awards or nobel prizes: “ A good sciencing is its own reward ” - not Faora-Ul] (EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

Wit may be the epitaph of an emotion, but it may also be the shem capable of animating a golem...

If PE had been from Krypton, would death have been the moment one left the essential truths of mathsing for the accidental truths of sciencing?

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #232
082349872349872 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper." —EP

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)? [and not awards or nobel prizes: “ A good sciencing is its own reward ” - not Faora-Ul] (EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

It's odd how Hollywood goes to extreme lengths to make people's faces visible under/despite helmets. I wonder if this is related to the fact that we've evolved for some reason to have visible sclera?

1. I saw some Planet of the Apes remake tiktok recently, but the huge sclera pretty much squicked me on their costuming.

(then again, I really appreciated the sclera on Khryusha the pig; maybe because he's not supposed to be a realistic character?)

2. Some coats of arms have battle helmets; some have barred-face helmets. I always figured the latter were designed to make it easier to drink at the beer tent, but maybe even they agreed with Hollywood on the visibility issue?

the Roman (allies') sol'n: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emesa_helmet

3. Disney used to have an exercise for animators: make a sack of flour emote. Maybe actors who intend to play hard characters ought to have to do the screen test with a bag over their head?

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #232
082349872349872 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper." —EP

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)? [and not awards or nobel prizes: “ A good sciencing is its own reward ” - not Faora-Ul] (EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

Are you making an economic argument [pace HRV] that wit is better than distinction for avoiding underproduction of science, if it were to be monetarily compensated solely by its [near-zero] marginal unit returns?

> Je défie qu’on me montre une république ancienne ou moderne dans laquelle il n’y ait pas eu de distinctions. On appelle cela des hochets ! Eh bien ! c’est avec des hochets que l’on mène les hommes. —NB, 18 Floréal X

("Can anyone show me a republic, ancient or modern, without any achievements? They call them swag! OK — swag is how men are led.")

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by gradschoolfail »

082349872349872 wrote: post #235
gradschoolfail wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)? [and not awards or nobel prizes: “ A good sciencing is its own reward ” - not Faora-Ul] (EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

Are you making an economic argument [pace HRV] that wit is better than distinction for avoiding underproduction of science, if it were to be monetarily compensated solely by its [near-zero] marginal unit returns? > Je défie qu’on me montre une république ancienne ou moderne dans laquelle il n’y ait pas eu de distinctions. On appelle cela des hochets ! Eh bien ! c’est avec des hochets que l’on mène les hommes. —NB, 18…

Id have hoped that it isn’t much of any kind of argument, since sharp wits can be an indispensable aid to …

(pace Edward Gibbon — personally, via Feynman*!)

… leading by example (showing >>> telling)

( but also/and by swagger

   (Since wit, appropriately weaponized & singularly demo’d, is its own distinction?
   )
 )
NB hadnt experienced Eurovision, might have expanded his idea of swag..

* >But the power of instruction is seldom of much efficacy, except in those happy dispositions where it is almost superfluous (quoted in TFLiP)

EDIT2: seems like NB had other ways to motivate his men (beside fear & swag)— according to that English historian “Livy” was smacked in this kind of context, but we’ll never know for sure now

EDIT: (material) baubles require a more or less centralized fount of honor (as republics ever had), transmission of (the clear products of) wit.. otoh, needs just… a market (of at least one)

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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082349872349872 wrote: post #233
gradschoolfail wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why… “science” needs lions ever ready to deploy the quite never old ultraviolence of wit (echoing FWN?)? [and not awards or nobel prizes: “ A good sciencing is its own reward ” - not Faora-Ul] (EP,wrong era, similar to HRV?)

Wit may be the epitaph of an emotion, but it may also be the shem capable of animating a golem... If PE had been from Krypton, would death have been the moment one left the essential truths of mathsing for the accidental truths of sciencing?

Sounds about right?

EDIT: placeholder for thinking more about this in context of Acemoglu & Restrepo: according to them ai as pointed at science today will not lead to even midterm econ growth

“Why zero-to-one’s cannot be automated”

id=41839542, note that nongoverning glamour-chasing elite Swedes didnt accolade Acemoglu for the institution-agnostic (“weird”er?) parts of his work that we were recently interested in

Edit: on 2nd slightly sleep deprived thought, seems to me that its flipped: sciencing is conerned with the essential and mathsing is the data-to-code..

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #237
082349872349872 wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wit may be the epitaph of an emotion, but it may also be the shem capable of animating a golem... If PE had been from Krypton, would death have been the moment one left the essential truths of mathsing for the accidental truths of sciencing?

Sounds about right? EDIT: placeholder for thinking more about this in context of Acemoglu & Restrepo: according to them ai as pointed at science today will not lead to even midterm econ growth “Why zero-to-one’s cannot be automated” id=41839542, note that nongoverning glamour-chasing elite Swedes didnt accolade Acemoglu for the institution-agnostic (“weird”er?) parts of his work that we were recently interested in Ed…

If sleep deprivation gets you to anything near FAKvS' benzene structure (what did TAE think?) it may yet be useful!

Sounds like we've greatly constrained our IRL hops to {1,2}. Are you familiar with any tulle-clad tensor inventors?

> Another damned thick heavy book! Always scribble, scribble, scribble, eh, Mr Gibbon? —P WH, DoG&E

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by 082349872349872 »

gradschoolfail wrote: post #236
082349872349872 wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you making an economic argument [pace HRV] that wit is better than distinction for avoiding underproduction of science, if it were to be monetarily compensated solely by its [near-zero] marginal unit returns? > Je défie qu’on me montre une république ancienne ou moderne dans laquelle il n’y ait pas eu de distinctions. On appelle cela des hochets ! Eh bien ! c’est avec des hochets que l’on mène les hommes. —NB, 18…

Id have hoped that it isn’t much of any kind of argument, since sharp wits can be an indispensable aid to … (pace Edward Gibbon — personally, via Feynman*!) … leading by example (showing >>> telling) ( but also/and by swagger (Since wit, appropriately weaponized & singularly demo’d, is its own distinction? ) ) NB hadnt experienced Eurovision, might have expanded his idea of swag.. * > But the power of instruction is…

wow, full context from Gibbon is great:

> It has been objected to Marcus, that he sacrificed the happiness of millions to a fond partiality for a worthless boy; and that he chose a successor in his own family, rather than in the republic. Nothing however, was neglected by the anxious father, and by the men of virtue and learning whom he summoned to his assistance, to expand the narrow mind of young Commodus, to correct his growing vices, and to render him worthy of the throne for which he was designed. But the power of instruction is seldom of much efficacy...

compare (~500 years earlier for MA; a couple of thousand for EG)

https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... et seq. (93c-95a; great foreshadowing by Anytus...)

Re: Fundamental physics is dying? [video]

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Post by gradschoolfail »

082349872349872 wrote: post #239
gradschoolfail wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Id have hoped that it isn’t much of any kind of argument, since sharp wits can be an indispensable aid to … (pace Edward Gibbon — personally, via Feynman*!) … leading by example (showing >>> telling) ( but also/and by swagger (Since wit, appropriately weaponized & singularly demo’d, is its own distinction? ) ) NB hadnt experienced Eurovision, might have expanded his idea of swag.. * > But the power of instruction is…

wow, full context from Gibbon is great: > It has been objected to Marcus, that he sacrificed the happiness of millions to a fond partiality for a worthless boy; and that he chose a successor in his own family, rather than in the republic. Nothing however, was neglected by the anxious father, and by the men of virtue and learning whom he summoned to his assistance, to expand the narrow mind of young Commodus, to corre…

Glad that helped! Sleeping on it, it was even more likely that NB was correctly quoted by the still unremembered English historian as having taken issue with Tacitus’ (cf the famous convo with Wieland) coverage of one or more of the emperors’ motivational techniques
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