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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by mike_hearn »

block_dagger wrote: post #118
TeeWEE wrote: post #110

This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

After reading the Isaacson biography, it’s clear to me Elon is not a stable or trustworthy person. The evidence continues to mount.

I've also read the biography. It's clear that he's stable and trustworthy enough to run multiple large companies, assemble a loyal force of allies who follow him around to his different ventures, a force that includes multiple family members, and win long term government contracts.

The conclusion Isaacson himself reached is that Musk has an extraordinary need for intensity and challenge, to the extent that he becomes uncomfortable and unhappy if there isn't something big riding right on the edge of going spectacularly wrong. This is a trait that most people don't have, and it's ideal for doing the kinds of things he does. But don't mistake that need for intensity for being unstable or dishonest.

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Post by ebalit »

Animats wrote: post #181
robomartin wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these are all AI issues (as opposed to mechanical ones) Actuation is still a massive problem in humanoid robotics. We have over 650 muscles. A humanoid today can't even approximate that. Sure, a robot might not need that many actuators to be extremely useful. However, to be general enough to be able to interact with any human environment, the number of required actuators will not be trivial. Add to that gearing, co…

The big breakthroughs have already happened. - Small, powerful 3-phase servomotors are cheap and easy to obtain. Mass production of drone motors has advanced small motor technology considerably. Tiny motors use to be either toy-grade junk or expensive Swiss precision. That's improved. - Motors with built-in encoders are, at last, available. Encoders used to be fragile plastic boxes stuck on the end of the motor. Also…

I'm totally with you on the evolution of motor tech because of drone and also personal mobility (scooters and hoverboard motors are a steal for what they can handle).

While high torque motors got way cheaper, especially with MIT Cheetah "clones" getting easily available, they're still at least 200-500 a pop (depending on the torque needed for each articulation) from what I could find.

I might not know where to search for the real gems though. Where do you search for cheap powerful servomotors?

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Post by oblio »

ponty_rick wrote: post #154
oblio wrote: post #101

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Why would they, though? Aren't those doable just with flat our regular code plus isn't AI slow?

AI is a pretty broad term - its been used for generations to mean something intelligent seeming that isn't human. Certainly, computers running precompiled instructions also falls in that category.

That's pushing the term beyond its limits.

Nobody reasonable considers ifs and dependency injection to be AI.

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Post by threatofrain »

zo1 wrote: post #166
ActionHank wrote: post #135

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When people tell you who they are, listen.

I find this thread disturbing, and with 0 examples as to why you guys think that about him. Like what are these things he's written and said.

Elon Musk was insulted over the internet by an emergency worker during a deadly rescue of children trapped in a flooded cave, and he responded by accusing the rescue worker of pedophelia. Elon doubled down repeatedly on the claim, such as by later clarifying that by pedophile he meant sex with young Thai boys.

He also hired an investigator to try and find any dirt on the rescue worker. Now he says this is just his way of having fun.

Anyways, you mentioned something about being disturbed. Please do continue.

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

oblio wrote: post #193
ponty_rick wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is a pretty broad term - its been used for generations to mean something intelligent seeming that isn't human. Certainly, computers running precompiled instructions also falls in that category.

That's pushing the term beyond its limits. Nobody reasonable considers ifs and dependency injection to be AI.

In video games a lot of these are considered AI though. Even racing cars adapting to a trajectory with some ability to overtake, correct, etc.

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Post by oblio »

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #195
oblio wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pushing the term beyond its limits. Nobody reasonable considers ifs and dependency injection to be AI.

In video games a lot of these are considered AI though. Even racing cars adapting to a trajectory with some ability to overtake, correct, etc.

Those are definitely exaggerations for marketing purposes.

I find it incredibly silly that 20+ years after the first more advanced "AIs" in games like Half Life, we're still far from a point where I can fire up a game of Dota 2 with bots and have the bots behave constantly well at an intermediate level, so that I can turn Dota 2 into a solid single player experience (I don't have the time nor the patience, anymore, for managing a team of toddler brains for 30-60 minutes).

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Post by wslh »

Philadelphia wrote: post #53
wslh wrote: post #8

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> To be honest, the autonomous control of the robot seems like the easier part of the equation. I agree but it is frustrating watching Elon like Michael Copperfield but thinking it is real like a 4 year old. I don't see a clear advantage of Tesla against other competitors if he will launch it in a couple of years.

David Copperfield is the magician’s name, if that’s who you meant

Yes, my fault! Thanks! David Copperfield, the illusionist.

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Post by tim333 »

beezlewax wrote: post #160
rlt wrote: post #103

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I heard the initial walk out was fully automated.

Where did you hear that?

While I didn't hear anything, I think the walk control would have to be local circuitry. I can't see how a remote operator could sense balance and do all the leg movements.

You can see a Tesla upper body controller here. Not sure if it's what they used for the event, but probably something like that. https://x.com/TroyTeslike/status/1845047695284613344

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Post by KingOfCoders »

mmooss wrote: post #145
KingOfCoders wrote: post #137

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It's all about creating a high stock price, then take out a loan on the stock, and have a nice life.

Musk needs a high stock price and a loan?

Yes that is usually the way things go for rich people.

They have an asset and take out a loan against the asset (e.g. stocks). Say $10M. This does not count as income. Then they spend the money on what they want and refinance the loan with another loan, say $20M on their grown assets. Then you spend more money, again with no income, so no taxes. When the asset goes up, you refinance. When the assets crash, banks can have the assets. Again, you've spent the money without income. One of the many tax "avoidance" schemes (this one is for income, others are for inheritance tax or VAT avoidance) of very rich people (those with no real income, not professionals with very high income).

You can read about it e.g. in the leftwing-marxist-propaganda Forbes Magazin:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnhyatt/2021/11/11/how-americ...

When you die, you never pay back the money, the strategy is called "Buy, Borrow, Die" for a reason:

https://smartasset.com/investing/buy-borrow-die-how-the-rich...

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Post by tim333 »

jojobas wrote: post #140
TeeWEE wrote: post #110

This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

You can't be serious. Musk is under investigation for manipulating stock prices back years ago. Anything shown on these events must be assumed fake until proven otherwise.

For 420 joking around on Twitter.
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