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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

  > how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? 
How do you even know they were anything? It is fairly easy to mock up a concept vehicle (I mean it is still a lot of work, but nowhere near what it takes to build an actual one). You can build the shell and interior and put it on any chassis you want.

And let's be real, that robovan couldn't survive a pothole. If you watch the video of people walking out it does not look like the clearance is meaningfully different than their shoes. It is also suspicious that it doesn't seem to rise much after all the people get off. I don't have good angles from that video, so just a flag but not enough to conclude without more evidence (but this is exactly what you'd see if they built it like you do a parade float).

For the robots, I thought it was obvious they were teleoperated. Just the way they talked with people was far too natural.

Don't get me wrong, Tesla and SpaceX have done some great things. But how many times can you c̶r̶y̶ ̶w̶o̶l̶f̶ promise self-driving vehicles next year before people stop trusting you all together? I get you gotta hype (but do we? and how much?) but you gotta fulfill those promises. In 2015 he promised FSD in 2017, in 2016 he said <2018, in 2017 he said 3 but no more than 6 mo, then later that year said 2 years, and I think it's been "next year" ever year since. It's a hard problem but you can only over promise so much. And over promising like this just makes him seem like either a conman or out of touch/naive.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #111

If I worked on Optimus I would be so angry about the decision to so this. Now nobody will trust the brand or the product. Stupid.

I don’t know. Despite being remotely controlled, their movements were smooth and human like. I mean it’s literal untethered bipedal robots walking around in the midst of a party. It’s already pretty incredible in my opinion and can only go up from here.

Agreed. By next year they’ll be able to outsource the puppetry to a nearby developing country.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #110

This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

They still haven’t shipped the new roadster despite taking a pretty huge investment from customers for it.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #101

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Balancing or some movement mechanisms could be using AI.

Why would they, though? Aren't those doable just with flat our regular code plus isn't AI slow?

AI is a pretty broad term - its been used for generations to mean something intelligent seeming that isn't human. Certainly, computers running precompiled instructions also falls in that category.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #95

That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certai…

But the problem is the majority of people buying and hyping TSLA are not working or have close experience with robotics to see what’s real vs human controlled. That’s intentionally deceptive.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #110

This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

> how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? How do you even know they were anything? It is fairly easy to mock up a concept vehicle (I mean it is still a lot of work, but nowhere near what it takes to build an actual one). You can build the shell and interior and put it on any chassis you want. And let's be real, that robovan couldn't survive a pothole. If you watch the video of people walking out it do…

Honestly, it feels like faking demos is the status quo in tech right now. I can perfectly understand "illustrative" demos where you're clear that this is what you're imagining, but if you say this is how it works -- or heavily imply or demonstrate under very limited conditions while implying this is what you can expect -- it is no wonder so many people have low sentiment around tech. But do we really have to do it this way? If you need smoke and mirrors to get funding I'm not convinced that the smoke and mirrors ever stops. (and why are big players doing this? Google doesn't need funding. You're playing with fire)

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Chris, thanks for your continued diligence. This is actually a recent and related discussion, as the duplicate status suggests the same article has been posted twice (e.g. slightly altering a URL parameter to escape the HN dupe-detector). P.s. If you found the content in one article to be better than another, it would be helpful to steer folks towards the more informative one. In this case, the above Bloomberg ar…

Dupe means duplicate discussion . There is an earlier discussion on this news story with plenty of upvotes and comments. Stop splitting up the threads, especially when it's a news story already developed from multiple days ago. Got something to add? Share it over there. Even maybe suggest the link over there in some cases even as a replacement article option. Stop splitting up threads and forcing us to repeat ourselv…

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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How is stuff like this not considered fraud? This seems much worse to me than Musk's usual Tesla lies in which he is predicting some future capability. At least there is an argument that Musk believed it those at the time he said them or that they were optimistically possible despite being impractical. This seems to be material misrepresentation of the viability of one of the company's core R&D projects that Musk cla…

Did you know that many demos on events like Google IO are scripted or hardcoded? I'm saying that not to advocate for such practices, but rather to provide context.

For what it's worth, it was quite clear to many that the robots are teleoperated and it still serves as a demonstration of the hardware.

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The safety people got a hold of it, but they did end up releasing it, although it refuses to do a lot of simple stuff you ask it to.

“The safety people” are gone. OpenAI is just very comfortable lying right around the time google is doing a big public announcement. Where is Sora? Everyone and their dog has video gen out now, Sora is conspicuously absent.

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post #95

That was obvious to anyone with any experience with real-world robots. Nice piece of machinery, though. Boston Dynamics' humanoids were clunky electrohydraulic mechanisms borrowed from their horse-type robots. All-electric is now possible and much simpler. Schatft was the first to get this working, and they had to liquid-cool the motors. Don't know if Tesla has to liquid cool. They do that in the cars, so they certai…

I heard the initial walk out was fully automated.

Where did you hear that?
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