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Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by jojobas »

sys64739 wrote: post #81
slg wrote: post #63

How is stuff like this not considered fraud? This seems much worse to me than Musk's usual Tesla lies in which he is predicting some future capability. At least there is an argument that Musk believed it those at the time he said them or that they were optimistically possible despite being impractical. This seems to be material misrepresentation of the viability of one of the company's core R&D projects that Musk cla…

Nikola (Trevor Milton) was busted for fraud for insinuating that trucks rolling down slopes were working models.

Tesla (Elon Musk) is under investigation for fraud for insinuating robotaxies are just around the corner, and you should buy the already available hardware for 100k that'll yield you 30k/year in the near future. When it became public knowledge, more value was written off Tesla stock than Enron, Theranos and Nikola combined.

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Post by jprd »

I'd like to just say that Gwynne Shotwell might be one of the best executives in the world.

Shotwell has SpaceX catching rockets with chopsticks, while being able to keep Elon from f*cking it all up by "sleeping on the factory floor" or whatever other stunt he is pulling.

Tesla looks like a complete stock fraud sham for at least 5+ years (remember buying SolarCity because cousins?), then Boring and, Le Sigh.

Dude literally did a "We, Robot" event and then copied the "I, Robot" movie designs. He isn't even trying anymore, this is just his "rocket fuel" scam for whatever other shiny object he desires.

I'm super frustrated that someone set "good" things in motion, and we are letting them Mullenweg it all up.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by thatguymike »

Come on, isn't this obvious? There's no way in crap they were fully autonomous, and I don't think anyone ever claimed that they were. In fact there's multiple examples of them saying "I am remote operated" when asked.

And that doesn't in any way take away from the fact that it's damn cool that they went from "guy in spandex suit" to a walking, dextrous, low latency telepresence robot in a few years.

I hate Musk's new politics (which is obviously what this is all about) but I feel bad for the engineers involved: I suspect everyone was stoked to show off their impressive progress, and a few marketing people decided to under-emphasize the telepresence and made them all look like jerks.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by [deleted] »

kortilla wrote: post #50
darth_avocado wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it that bad of an idea? Driving at 60mph with shaky internet connection? Absolutely. Piloting a robot to fold laundry? Maybe not. Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific.

> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

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Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by mmooss »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #137
slimebot80 wrote: post #33

It's all about controlling money that might go to more honest ventures. Yes, humanity has engineers who are going to the moon, creating robots, investigating brain interfaces, improving public transport with buses and tunnels. And there will always be monorail salesmen who try to soak up those investments, taking away from others.

It's all about creating a high stock price, then take out a loan on the stock, and have a nice life.

Musk needs a high stock price and a loan?

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by darth_avocado »

kortilla wrote: post #50
darth_avocado wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it that bad of an idea? Driving at 60mph with shaky internet connection? Absolutely. Piloting a robot to fold laundry? Maybe not. Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific.

> Allowing random people to pilot robots in your house with children around? Absolutely horrific. Your risk analysis on this is completely wrong. If there is some vetting here this is fine. No different than a babysitter or a handyman off the Internet

My “vetted” Doordash/Ubereats drivers sometimes end up eating part of my meals.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by skeledrew »

TeeWEE wrote: post #110

This results in me trusting Tesla less. If this was fake, how do we know the robovans were not remotely operated? They might as well be too to get the stock price up? There is no way to know. I am really doubting Tesla now. It wouldn’t surprise me that, in order to prevent mishaps during the event, everything is remotely operated… People will say: that’s not true. But where did Tesla clearly specify this upfront? I s…

No need for doubt. There's no reason to remotely operate the van since it's a vehicle like the car, and it is already known that they have mostly functional FSD from the many owners driving Tesla cars these past years.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by tacticus »

mmooss wrote: post #145
KingOfCoders wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all about creating a high stock price, then take out a loan on the stock, and have a nice life.

Musk needs a high stock price and a loan?

yes. to cover the other loans he has.

Re: Tesla Optimus Bots Were Remotely Operated at Cybercab Event

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Post by jkestner »

standardUser wrote: post #129
_ea1k wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a few people at the event asked employees about this and were directly given the answer. It wasn't a secret.

The fact that the fraud was lazy and blatant makes it worse, not better.

Less lazy than a dancer in a skin tight robot suit. Progress!
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